I disagree with almost everything you have said there. This situation had nothing to do with perfection on the job. This was done purposefully. I'm sorry but I can't see how you can tailgate someone by mistake. I also can't see how driving erratically in and out of traffic to be a mistake. I don't think you will completely understand this concept until you witness a major consequence such as death caused by these actions by a police officer. There is a reason these vehicles are fitted with sirens and lights, and that is to notify people around them that they are heading towards an emergency and to give way to them. There is absolutely no excuse for driving this way otherwise no matter how you sugarcoat it or ignore the situation at hand.
Ok then lets play it your way.....he did the wrong thing....now what? Do you want him sacked/stood down? I can think of worse things that people do in their jobs. Gee, politicians do hundreds of wrong things before there are consequences. Why should this officer be treated differently? But yet again I say, its all up to interpretation. My interpretation is that if you could see every single manoeuvre with which he made, and in a court of law you can quote every little detail, I then worry about how much concentration you were putting into your driving.
lol and at one stage my ex unmarked police car even had the aerials located in the proper spots, because I positioned them where the originals had clearly been taken off! With your dashies TVR I reckon we could've done a good job back in 2007, VZ's were still popular cop cars back then as the VE's phased in !!!! I think its a Priority 2 job call (cant remember) which is ASAP no lights/sirens, which can stem from various reasons. Honestly if your that concerned report it, go to the corruption commission or something with the complaint. All your going to do is get everyone's varying opinions here!
What CSP said is spot on, its not entrapment its to see if certain drivers will react to the bahaviour and engage in street racing or other hoon like behaviour. As for what others are saying I can understand your frustration seeing police break traffic laws that they give you tickets for but in many cases police and other emergency services vehicles are exempt from certain traffic laws. Only certain jobs require lights and sirens. but we still break some traffic laws so that we can get to a job quicker and reduce the response times. If we take our time and sit in traffic the public bitch that we take to long, so chucking the odd illegal u-turn at lights to take a different route to a job or take a short cut means we get you jobs quicker. When not responding to a job we sit in traffic like everyone else and even when responding to jobs we rarely break the traffic laws, if its not an urgent response job we stop at red lights etc etc etc. In a case where you see a police car do a U-turn at lights they may have been heading one way and a job is called that is back in the opposite direction so they may feel that the quickest response to this is to do a u-turn at the lights. You may not like it but if that job involved you or a family member you might appreciate it a bit more. I more than understand why people get upset about it but on a 12hr shift I can clock upwards of 200-300km up just driving around bathurst. So we need to get from one side of town to another. In the end we are in the community to help you, the public, and if it was you sitting at home in your trashed house after someone broke into you would want the police to get there as soon as they could aswell, and sometimes they need to break the odd traffic law to do that, but they are traffic laws that they are exempt from. If you saw a police car do an illegal u-turn and then pull into Maccas then fair enough, they can go around the block like everyone else.
Hey Ace, would you fine someone for them following you doing an illegal u-turn? I did this on the freeway when I forgot my wallet lol. I wasnt driving 25km to an off ramp and 25km home, mr policey did a u turn to capture an evil speeder, so I followed...alll i seen was his shaking head and smile If police want to speed, do burnouts or whatever meh, half their luck, you can do it too, just join the force
LOL, depends on the situation, in any case where i did a u-turn at a set of lights i would be attending a job so probably not, but would depend on the situation. I think if my only option was to travel 25km extra to go back and get my wallet I may have done the same thing Minux LOL
Well said. Join the force if you want to have some privileges. Or join the force if you want to deal with a lot of scum. If you want to deal with people constantly abusing you. If you want to deal with people spitting on you. If you want to deal with many undesirables. If you want to deal with death. If you want to deal with morons that don't learn or understand the basics of life. If you want to deal with domestic violence situations and try to make sense of the chaos. If you want to deal with all the people and situations that many of us don't want to deal with. If you want to deal with people who think that you take too long to get to a job, but then think that you are an idiot if you break a few laws that the public can't to get to a job quickly....then go ahead and be an officer. Otherwise, hit the "Log Out" feature on the top of this page, and go and whinge somewhere else HOLD3N!
You summed up my job in one paragraph, well done HoldenOnn, good work. I personally love my job, but there are aspects that i dont like. Being the subject of public critiscism when those members of the public do not understand what we do is a difficult pill to swallow. I only respond to alot of these sorts of posts to put our side across so people understand a bit better why some police do the things they do. Sure, I know some cops break the law, look at underbelly, alot of that was very true, but the majority of cops do what they do in good faith and they do it for the good of the community. I can understand why the OP posted what he did, before I joined the force I would have thought it was a bit hypocritical but now I have seen it from the other side so think differently. Those FPV and HSV unmarked police cars are used for the sole purpose of catching hoons. If you cant control yourself when another highpowered vehicle pulls up next to you at the lights or passes you in traffic then you shouldnt have a licence because. If they car wasnt a police vehicle and you responded to their behaviour and raced them through traffic now there are two dangerous cars on the road. These vehicles are more of an attitude test than entrapment.
Bit harsh there don't you think? I do believe this is a public forum where each and everyone's opinions can be heard. You seem to be taking this a little personal. Going back to my original post, I did ask for people's thoughts on this and asking what everybody else would do. I would hardly call it whinging. So thanks for your input, it has been noted but I think you've made your point so move on. No need to be taking this personal as it is only a discussion.
i think the point HOLD3N was trying to say about the whole dentists dont have perfect teeth, mechanics don't have the perfect car etc thing is that nobody is perfect..but is a dentist not having perfect teeth or a mechanic not having the perfect running car against the law?..no-one is perfect fair enough, but you can only do your best...seeing as though this copper (if he was) was in control of the car he made the decisions to do what he did...in the case of a copper not being the perfect person, he would drive like the rest of the imperfect drivers would he? eg, forget a blinker, speed a little etc...if that happens fair enough, no-one is perfect.. but to be breaking the law you are meant to enforce by wreckless behaviour is another thing...so in comparison of a police officer to a dentist, mechanic, lawyer etc..not doing a perfect job for detinst and so on is not against the law...but the law is there for everyone to obey, especially cops seeing as though they're trying to get everyone else to obey it..right? if this cop wants to try his best and be imperfect like everyone else, fair enough, you wouldn't report him because he missed a blinker, or sped up through an orange light and the such...but to be tailgating, edging on is something i'd be reporting....i suppose the cops are like guaranteed work...if a dentist guarantee's straight teeth, you expect him to give you straight teeth...if a cop is there to enforce the law..you expect him to enforce the law.. correct me if im wrong, but im all for reporting a shonky copper, as i said, he might not be perfect, but he was in control of the vehicle and it wasn't like he forgot it was illegal to tail gate, it's not like he forgot changing lanes and driving dangeriously was against the law...if he maybe got a little close once, fair enough, who cares..if he forgets a blinker, fair enough who cares, no-one is perfect...but he was in control of the vehicle and was not performing his duties as he was meant to and on purposely putting other people at risk..whether it be that changin lanes and tailgating caused a crash..or even just getting the attention of other drivers causing a distraction...what if HOLD3N had a quick glimpse in his rear view mirror to make sure this idiot didn't run up his arse, but while he was looking, he didn't realise some other idiot cut him off short and caused a crash..if that copper was doing the right he wouldn't have had to look in his mirror to ensure he was safe and his car wouldn't get damaged. report the bastard.
GTFO of the right lane Also another thing you might not concider is that your speedo is probably out by 5km? IF he was a cop, his would be perfect 5km makes a difference...
Princess why dandenong, doing the speed limit a ve with tinted windows next to me dicides to floor it so i ignored him, he slowes down and hes next to me again so i look but couldnt see the driver and then he dicides to floor it again, so this time i thought ill floor it and see wtf hes problem is i look threw the windscreen and i see cop lights in the front of the windscreen so i slowed down and he dicides to go slower than me and goes right behind me puts hes lights on. I pull over and guess what he says to me "Youve found the wrong guy to f uck with" and i got a fine for beign an idiot...and yes he called me an idiot to. Total BS!
Police speedo's arent calibrated, but highway patrol cars, which this one would have been, have a calibrated speed display so they know the exact speed.
Exactly what the FPV was trying to achieve in the OP. If people want to drive like F-wits around you on the road ignore them, slow down let them past or change lanes.
Cops really should know better, after all they do know the laws they are enforcing right? That said I don't care if a cop forgets an indicator, pulls an illegal u turn, etc if it is for a job. Tailgating on the other hand is extremely dangerous. I know if someone is tailgating me I can't help but look in the mirror nearly the whole time. I also slow down heaps, even if it is a cop.
there was a similar thread about how police are allowed to talk on their mobile phones whilst driving. Police are allowed to drive like this because we dont know where they are going. For all you may have known he may have been heading to a scene where he needed to have his lights/sirens off to avoid alerting them to his presence.
Alot of tailgating and people weaving through traffic would be all but eliminated if people knew how to use freeways properly. WHEN YOU ARENT OVERTAKING KEEP LEFT!!! If they want to travel faster than everyone else, and exceed the speed limit let them do it in the right hand lane. To many people plod along in the right and the middle lane on freeways. Now i agree with the above post tailgating is dangerous but people dont really have the right to whinge about it when they sit below the speed limit in the faster lanes. In the UK trucks arent allowed in the right lane and passing on the left is a law that is enforced. So when someone sits in the middle lane they massively disrupt the flow of traffic. If freeways were used properly in Australia alot of crashes and road rage incidents wouldnt occur.
LMAO!!! Yup... Serves him right! Public roads are NOT the place to race anyone. It's not BS. It takes an idiot to catch an idiot so Police have to act like idiots but guess what? They're trained in advanced car control and KNOW HOW TO DRIVE! Boy racers are not and do not and deserve everything they get!
