Green p plates, 19 years old, are you allowed to drive a v8 land cruiser? I know we can drive turbo but v8 diesel and unleaded is a no good, am I correct? I've been told different
V8 turbo diesel is allowed. Had a mate that drove his family twin turbo diesel v8 landcruiser without any troubles.
If you are in VIC, then no you can't drive any Toyota Landcruiser (around 2010 models onwards). Probationary vehicle database : VicRoads
I've been told that it's easier to apply for an exemption for a V8 4x4 than for something like an SS Commodore if you can claim a legitimate need for such a vehicle. So it's probably worth a try applying for an exemption. Make sure you say "I need to drive this car due to x reason", not "I want to drive this car for no real reason" If you have no luck with that road, it still might be an idea to try writing to your local MP or the newspaper. They might run with it, or they might not, depends on how they feel at the time.
V8TD is fine, you can drive whatever you want if it's diesel. V8 petrol is not, even if it's something gutless like a 3.5L V8 Defender.
Before you all offer bad advice, check out where the OP lives. The laws are different in every state. No, you cant drive a V8 in QLD on P's, diesel or not.
You really think that a local MP has the time to bother about some P Plater who cant wait a few years to buy a V8? Alternatively, do you really think that the MEDIA is going to pick up and run with the story of putting a 2 Tonne Turbo V8 in the hands of a P Plater because they were deemed unsuitable by Vicroads/RTA to do so? What planet are you living on?
The fact is that you can't drive any V8 on P-Plates, or supercharged/turbocharged cars. The only exception is the turbo diesel 4 cylinder engines. Of course a twin turbo V8 Landcruiser would be banned.
In a rural area, something like this is something the media might run with, rural media love the whole "city bureaucrats making life difficult for us country folk" angle and at the end of the day, there are plenty of people who do have a need for a large off road capable vehicle, just to drive up their driveway, or down to the back shed, or to pull the horse float, and so on. Likewise, MP's have staffers who are paid to deal with complaints from people in the community. They might run with it, they might not. Depends on how much merit your concern has and as to the political landscape at the time, as to how high your likelihood of success will be but if you look at Hansard, there are hundreds of cases of MP's raising concerns of members of their community, on the floor of Parliament, and often something s done about it afterwards. I'm not saying that either are guaranteed to work, but I am saying that if you have a valid need for such a vehicle, they are options available to you to get what you need. At the end of the day, a Land Cruiser is never going to be the vehicle that breaks the land speed record, so to say that because it has a V8 it's obviously a "hoon car" and therefore needs to be placed under a multitude of restrictions is laughable, if it wasn't such a sad reflection of the knee jerk reaction nature of these laws.
A couple of things: A) There are plenty of capable 4 and 6 cylinder TD's for towing B) A local MP is hardly going to have the sway to get the legislation rethought C) He doesnt live in a rural area
The local MP may not have enough sway to get legislation rethought, but he may have enough sway to convince the minister to apply pressure on the bureaucracy to grant an exemption. Happens all the time. Why should someone be forced to buy a diesel for towing, simply because of their age? That's discrimination, plain and simple. People may not want a turbo diesel engine, they aren't perfect for every application in spite of popular opinion. They are not always as easy to repair when things go wrong, if you're not a diesel mechanic they definitely aren't as easy to work on, as diesels age they can be up for costly repairs as well. His parents may already own a V8 Land Cruiser, why should they have to sell up and buy something different? Point I'm getting at is there are potentially infinite valid reasons why someone would need a V8 Land Cruiser, going fast probably wouldn't be one of them. Why can't the bureaucrats and the nanny state come to accept that is beyond me though.
They are making changes, kinda. Until recently the law in QLD was no turbos, no v8s, no mods and no more than 200kw... and no exemptions. Its my understanding now that factory turbos are ok, provided they still dont exceed 200kw. Its obvious too that they will have to drop the 200kw requirement too eventually, given that a SIDI Commodore has 210kw. Even a Kluger has more than 200kw. I'm pretty sure you still cant get exemptions, so unless an MP is able to get the law changed completely, there just isnt a process that can be gone through to get him exempted as far as I know, regardless of how much his MP tries.. not that I think his MP will bother at all. As far as the nanny state goes, I am totally behind power restrictions for P platers. I will concede that there are occasionally circumstances which may warrant exemption, so there probably is a case for an exemption process to be available. I dont know how many of you have driven a turbo v8 diesel landcruiser, but they are far from snails. Given the poor road dynamics of most 4wds, the power available from one of these is more than enough to get you into some serious trouble. We arent talking about the old diesel 60 series with a standing 1/4 of 25 seconds here...
Here's how that conversation would go. Minister: You should let this person drive a V8 Vicroads: No Because it's the law? You can stamp your feet and carry on as much as you like but it's still the law. Oh please. What relevence does this have with the thread? Or are you trying to morph this into an Anti-P Plate restriction conversation? Because it was you who brought up TD8's and towing. And like i said before, a 4 or 6 cylinder will do the job just as well as the V8. The same could be said for any car as it gets older. Petrol or Diesel. Diesels have a generally longer life expectancy than Petrols though so you arent out looking to buy another car as quick. So it's horses for courses. If you're old enough to drive, you're old enough to buy your own car. Reasons why somebody might need one, yes. Infinate? Hell no. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder. And judging by what you drive im guessing you're forced into a 6 because of the law.
I've driven a petrol V8 Land Cruiser before [I have no further comment on the legalities of having done so] and I can't say I felt it to be either too fast or too slow. I'd say it was about on par with my VS in terms of power, in that I could move it comfortably but there was still plenty of power in reserve if I wanted to go faster. At the end of the day, on the roads you can get yourself in trouble if you go looking for it, regardless of what you're in. You can't legislate common sense. In NSW at least there is an exemption process and one of the grounds for an exemption is requiring a 4x4 vehicle. I'm not familiar with the situation in other states. If the ban is absolute however, then you pretty much have no chance of changing the law in the current political climate.
It became an anti P plate restriction conversation the second the thread was posted. The thread was about someone not being able to drive a vehicle they wish to because of their age. I merely gave my understanding of the facts and what I would do, if it were me in that situation-and I have been in a similar situation before, where lodging complaints to my local MP, and then onto the Minister achieved a more satisfactory outcome in the end [admittedly not related to transport] I dispute your assertion that a 4 cylinder turbo diesel will tow just as well as a V8 of any description. I happen to know someone who is selling their 4 cylinder 4x4, for the precise reason that it is not suitable to go off road, is not suitable to tow, and generally underpowered due to having an overworked 4 cylinder engine. In a Hilux or Navara sized ute a turbo 4 may be alright, but in a Land Cruiser or a Patrol, it simply isn't. The advice I have received is that older diesels break more often and cost more to fix than petrol engines. I haven't looked that much into it as utes/4x4 vehicles aren't really anything I'm that interested in, but it's what I've been told. Maybe it's a personal preference thing, I wouldn't know enough to actually give a personal opinion. Finally, you guessed wrong. I'm somewhat financially challenged. I'm "forced" into a 6 because of money [and for the record I would have preferred a smaller car like a Camry as my first car but got the Commodore because it was a good cheap car available at the right time], I couldn't afford a V8 even if I wanted one, and I can't afford one that I really would want because I don't have a spare 50,000 lying around. So no, it's not just sour grapes. It's opposition to a discriminatory law, opposition to the nanny state, opposition to the "one member of this group did something, therefore we should treat all members of this group like they will do the same, opposition to the idea that the gutter press can create scare campaigns to force the government's hand into passing laws even though they may not be well thought out, or even effective. Also just because you own your own car doesn't mean you don't ever need to drive someone else's car on occasion.
It's not because of their age. It's because of their experience. From personal experience, those two reasons are moot. The same press that you suggested the OP get in contact with?
