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Discussion in 'ZB Holden Commodore (2018)' started by King Brown, Oct 12, 2019.

  1. King Brown

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    Have always been told that ZBs cannot fit V8s

    What are the Supercars running ….. 5 litre ?

    ( Currently watching Bathurst …. ZBs look great )
     
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    Those race cars have nothing in common with the road car. The race car is a full tube chassis car with body panels fitted to it. Put the race car next to a road car and you'll start to see the differences.

    I really don't see the appeal of the ZB as a racer, TBH (and I don't believe I'm saying this) the Mustang probably looks better. Holden missed a trick not bringing over the Camaro as the new Holden race model.
     
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    You saying ‘Mustang probably looks better’ than the ZB racer?? Beauty definitely in the eye of the beholder...
    Mustang road car = absolutely fantastic
    ZB supercar & ZB Road car come next
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    Mustang supercar = absolutely butchered & horrid
    (Yes I know that in order to meet regs there was no choice with what they have done to the Mustang and a Camaro supercar would probably look just as bad).
     
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    I have to say I think both versions of the Mustang look horrible. Like they were designed in 15 minutes by low cost engineers using an old apple IIe computer!
     
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    From what i read awhile ago they didn't bring in the camaro as the new supercar because the supercar chassis is narrower than the road car and made the camaro look horrible according to someone from GM
     
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    I still have my old Apple IIe... :)
     
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    Ford might like to buy it off you...
    Make sure you get a good price ;)
     
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    :) :p
     
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    Not sure if they would have been worried about the way the Camaro looked if everything else added up but yes they would have had to mangle its sleek design also because of the roll cage.
    Surely the roll cage specs can be altered to come up with something just as safe without having to substantially change the shape of the chassis from the original. How do they make a roll cage fit for a Lambo for example?
     
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    I agree, in general the Mustang isn't all that and yes the race car is probably worse than the road version. To me what really kills the race cars is those horrid rear wings. Still don't think much of the ZB as a race car, the VE/VF looked much more manly.
     
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    What happened to the whole twin turbo V6 they were supposed to be all running by now? I'm afraid that the whole Supercars thing is pretty much a waste of time compared to the good old days of Bathurst when pure skill at man handling a beast was more important than how much money you could throw at it. I wonder if Peter Brock would have had anything like the success of yesteryear if he was starting out today.
     
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    I think the twin turbo thing was just advertising for the ZB more than anything serious
     
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    I thought the V6 was the initial plan but it probably got canned due to cost. 888 must have spent a fair bit of coin doing the initial development work.
     
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    Holden had the twin turbo in the 888 VE ‘panel van’ on display when we went to Bathurst race in 2017 and each day it did a lap of the circuit...it was all under testing. From memory I think it was relatively early last year when they put it on the back burner saying they were more likely to have success by continuing to pour resources into the 8. (On a side note, the twin turbo sounded better than I expected but it was no 8 either. For pure aural pleasure, our Supercars have already peaked).
     
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    This is worth a watch and has the best V8 motor ever used in the day.
     
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    Ford should have used a Mondeo it certainly could not look any worse than the Mustang.
     
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    Scrap the supercars and race the old bangers for 1000k.
     
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    I was thinking that yesterday. Forget the fake bullshit bodyshell race cars and bring back some VP-VS Commodores vs falcoons again.!!
     
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    Yeah, going back a little earlier to 1981, there were 60 starters ( compared to only 25 ? yesterday ) and the sound of the race engines of Bartlett's Camaro / Brock's VC ? / Johnson's XD etc contributed greatly to the spectator experience, compared to the almost anaemic and homogenous sounds of todays racecar.
     
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