VE SS MY09 Auto Trans 2nd 3rd Flaring issue. Whats best fix?

[VrWagz1]

Ive been reading threads here that were quite old as far as the earlier VE's Auto transmission issues with 2nd-3rd flaring/slip/flatspot issues.

I have a VE SSV MY09 L98 wagon that is flaring between 2nd and 3rd, has been for 12 months or so now and is exactly to spec on the said "known issue" by Holden back in the day as per this thread
http://forums.justcommodores.com.au...k-when-engaging-d-r-other-owners-comment.html

However now its nearly 2017 and i doubt Holden is going to warrant the transmission on my 2nd hand 2008 VE Wagon. My question is what are people doing/options out there to get this fixed at a reasonable $$price now.

-Replace Trans, but with what? Do VF trans fit up, wiring harness ect.... try and find a cheap 2nd hand working one, tips?
-Rebuild current trans? Too pricey$$ for me though
-Is there a way to "Repair/Fix" the Transmission. That said, does anyone have a clear concise understanding on what the actual problem is? Im not real flash with Auto's but I read in the other link that there was a "Seal issue", but then also read its a "Bleed Valve Issue"; which is it and what exactly? Is it a 20cent part that forces rebuilds
-Buy a rebuilt trans, but is there certain "serial numbers" or "models" i need to stick to for the ecu? However likely too $$expensive option.

If there are other options im keen to hear about them. If it was my old VR or Jeep id just throw in a cheap <$600 2nd hand Transmission, not much effort at all(Well......Jeep was a pain).
I want to ideally fix this for under $1K.

Cheers:Thumbsup:

EDIT
Bulletin No.: 09-07-30-004C prety much covers this issue. Click link below to go to Post #14 with the details on this.
https://forums.justcommodores.com.a...ng-issue-whats-best-fix-2.257487/post-2857023

Another TSB, not directly related to this issue but interesting none the less
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/cs/jaxrs/download/doc/UCM505581/SB-10043845-3346.pdf

 

[cewing]

Some have said fitting a deeper oil pan helped-I'm guessing oil starvation was the issue for those it helped.
My 2-3 flare was barely there before my engine and gearbox tune, it's really bad now after. I guess that's because the oil pressure was increased, increasing the stress on one of the parts.

An auto shop said it was probably the solenoids and wanted around $1800. What a joke ay.

 

[VrWagz1]

I might try some research on the deeper oil pan, im dubious that will fix it but worth a shot if enough had success. Ive already tried new fluid but really did nothing at all for the problem.
I agree after a tune it has seemed worse than before. Thanks for the info.

 

[cewing]

Oh one other common trick, overfill the tranny oil by half a litre.

 

[Benboy]

Seek out a reputable and reliable Auto Transmission Specialist. Have a talk with them and ascertain if they have any knowledge of said 'problem'. They should also be able to hook up their 'diagnostics' to your system to help identify faults/problems etc. Perhaps a service and change of oil might help improve performance as you haven't stated what the service history of said Transmission might be. e.g. if it's never been serviced now could be the right time. Good luck.

 

[VrWagz1]

Trans has had a service. Filter an oil. No improvement.
I dont believe it to be a wear/old age/service lack of, issue. Its defiantly the mentioned problem in the other thread. I beleive made worse by tune, jst would be keen on others experience on this.
I have done the basics, an looking to do rectification works for the problem. Hopefully using others experience i can get a good run on this an leave a trail here for others to follow.

 

[oztech007]

The problem is actually caused by faulty/incorrect size seals. Apparently they used some incorrect size of seal, being smaller than they should have been. When cold, the seals don't form an air tight seal and allows air into the lines causing the flaring. After the fluid heats up a little, the air is eventually expunged and then shifts OK. Trans will need to be pulled apart and seals replaced to fix the problem. They also recommend replacing seals on the pump as well.

 

[VrWagz1]

Cheers oztech007. Thats some of the best info yet. Sounds like its somthing im not likely to be able to do from home.
However do you have an idea on what seals they are? Are they cat seals, o-rings, gasket seals?
If i can gather enough info i might give it a crack. Is the seals on the pump just a shaft seal?
If you have a link or an exploded diagram with info that i can have a look at that would be great.

 

[VrWagz1]

So far, it just looks worse every time i look into this. What the hell is with this labrinth of mazes in the valve body and pump! Im no mechanic as you might guess...
Apparently the undersize seal its in there somewhere.... see sonnax link.

Edit...seem to have forgotten how to upload a pic so heres a link to Website with things you can click to see said valve body n bits

http://www.sonnax.com/units/363-6L80

Pump Rebuild
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXKXhKrTNBo - explains pump towards end of clip

General tear down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kezJfRhD6lk - Shows Valve body location
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae45uCJF9aU - shows accessing pump

So now i need to figure out which bit i need to look at Valve body or Pump? Which bit is the worn xxxx that causes the flare between 2nd and 3rd?

Anybody have info on exactly what bit is the offender?

 

[VrWagz1]

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