VE Supercars

[Ripcell]

aww poor ford having a sook. boo hoo, if the ve isnt allowed to be any faster than the vz, then the BF better not out perform the BA. whinging whining sooks, thats the point of building a new model, to make it faster than the pervious, if it wasnt then we should be still racing the first race car ever made. that means ford broke their own words then with going to the ba from the au. ROFL this is too funny. i hope the VE **** kanes the BA so they can go sook for an actual reason.


this sounds like the work of roland dane typical whinging ****wit

 

[Scotty_Doesn't_Know]

V8SC is coming dangerously close to being an Aussie NASCAR like series. All we need is for them to be racing on ovals.

 

[klaw81]

Proof also that the Aussie Motorsport fan who religiously follows V8's is nothing more than a naive bogan. V8's are no longer racing, just advertisement for Holden, Ford and all the sponsors.

Couldn't have put it better myself. It's utterly pointless racing, and does nothing for anybody except the sponsors. It's just a parade of billboard advertisements that happen to be moving rather quickly.

To have 1 car winning is VERY healthy for the sport - it encourages the other teams to get off their backsides and build a better car instead of dishing up the same old trash with a different garnish. Racing is the proving ground that nearly every worthwhile improvement to automotive technology has come from. Disc brakes, ABS, traction control and stability control (to name a few obvious ones) are all products of racing development, not to mention the advances in aerodynamic, tyre & suspension technology.

 

[vztrt]

Couldn't have put it better myself. It's utterly pointless racing, and does nothing for anybody except the sponsors. It's just a parade of billboard advertisements that happen to be moving rather quickly.

To have 1 car winning is VERY healthy for the sport - it encourages the other teams to get off their backsides and build a better car instead of dishing up the same old trash with a different garnish. Racing is the proving ground that nearly every worthwhile improvement to automotive technology has come from. Disc brakes, ABS, traction control and stability control (to name a few obvious ones) are all products of racing development, not to mention the advances in aerodynamic, tyre & suspension technology.

Not that I'm disagreeing with you, but why is this the most popular racing series in Australia? Before V8SC was revamped it was struggling for sponsorship and Bathurst was the only thing keeping it going.

 

[klaw81]

It's popular because Austrlian people like to see Australian cars race, especially against other Australian cars and especially V8's. Plus it keeps the Ford / Holden battle fuelled despite the fact that the cars on the track and the cars on the road have absolutley nothing in common.

As an example of how Fords and Holden's cars would have been improved if they had to race actual road cars:
1. Holden's power steering system used to be notoriously vulnerable to overheating during extended hard driving. If they had to race that car (rather than a tarted-up fake) then they would have had to replace that faulty and poorly designed system with one that could hack the pace, or risk race-losing unreliabilty. That means that all Holdens get a more robust system, and that benefits you the consumer.
2. Falcon brakes in general have been woefully inadequate for enthusiatic driving for the last 10 years (apart from some of the FPV versions). If the cars were going to be raced, Ford would have had some seriously embarressing egg on their face when the Commodores consistantly out-braked the Falcons. That would lead to bigger and better brakes standard on Ford's road cars, and the consumer would get the benefit of increased safety and reliability.

Fact - a car built for racing is stronger, faster and safer. What part of that doesn't appeal to you?

 

[1991_Vn2nV]

But had the rules stayed as they were, we would also still have 4.9L/5.0L V8's in our SS Commodores and HSV's, not the mighty 6.0L V8's we now have...

 

[klaw81]

No, we would have 5.4L Ford motors and 6.0L Holden motors in our race cars! And that in itself is a good thing, because racing development would make the motors in our road cars more advanced, with tougher internals and more robust support systems.

If Ford makes a better road car than Holden, Ford deserves to win races and get the glory - and vice versa. Bring back the "win on Sunday, sell on Monday" because that gives us better cars.

 

[Scotty_Doesn't_Know]

Bring back the "win on Sunday, sell on Monday" because that gives us better cars.

Absolutely! And marketed properly, ANY form of motorsport can be popular...

 

[klaw81]

For the doubters, look at Le Mans for a good example of race cars that end up on the road. Cars like the McLaren Mercedes and Porsche Carrera GT are genuine road-legal cars that have been designed to race. Admittedly they're ultra-expensive too, but they're not constrained to a price like local manufacturers are. Instead of Ford & Holden pouring millions of dollars, year after year, into making race cars that vaguely resemble a road car but in actual fact have almost nothing in common, they could be spending that money on making their road cars more competitive in a racing environment. The cars would still have to compete for buyers just like they do at the moment, so it's not as if the cost of performance cars would rise to pay for the racing.

Oh yeah, one more thing....
Those of you who are "concerned" about the upcoming VE and whether the VE V8 Supercar will be faster than the BA/BF - why do you care? Do you believe the hype? Do you actually think it reflects on your own Commodore?

 

[1991_Vn2nV]

We care because we want Holden to win, whether its basically only the shell that remains the same or not, its important to alot of Holden fanatics that the VE supercar is a better racecar than the BF.

No, we would have 5.4L Ford motors and 6.0L Holden motors in our race cars! And that in itself is a good thing, because racing development would make the motors in our road cars more advanced, with tougher internals and more robust support systems.

Remember Holden reduced the VL back to a 4.9L V8 for racing purposes...As having a displacement of 5.0L or more meant having to carry extra weight as a penalty.