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Discussion in 'VE Holden Commodore (2006 - 2013)' started by LeBoofer, Jul 21, 2006.

  1. LeBoofer

    LeBoofer Guest

    Thought this article was interesting (from carsguide.news.com.au)...

    http://www.carsguide.news.com.au/story/0,20384,19843629-21822,00.html

    Its all about Toyota and Ford focusing some of the attention on their large cars rather than the VE. Seems lately (and justifiably) all the focus has been on the VE with the other manufacturers vying for that attention.

    With all the information we have at this early stage, do you think the VE will sweep the floor with the Aurion and Falcon or be evenly competitive? What are your thoughts?

    (Apologies if this is the wrong section to post this thread)
     
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  2. drewins

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    Its hard to say how it will do. Personally I think it will be much more popular than the VZ was and that was still beating its rivals. Everything about the car is a huge step up from the old model. However we still do not know what the Aurion is like and really most people still dont know what the VE is like. I hope it does well anyway cos my job depends on it.
     
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    i think the aurion will have the looks (from what ive seen) that will match VE, though they will probly mainly sell to old camry and avalon drivers, i mean how well is a supercharged front wheeler going to handle, so much more weight on the fronts...

    in the case of fords new car whenever its coming out i think it will have holden worried, i mean the last few years ford has seriously upped their game and i think is pretty much on even grounds with holden now...which annoys me...until i see a VE i wont know for sure how well they will compete...but they look good so far haha.
     
  4. andyman

    andyman The Only 6sp VZ Wagon

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    i think the ve will boom as well as the aurion and the bf will slow down a bit being so dated. i personally dont mind fwd and i think a toyota performance car will appeal to alot of people. Particulary because the n/a 3.5 v6 is 210kw so imagine the supercharged version
     
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    thats a good point but i think most people interested in large sedans have already chosen either ford or holden and will be unlikely to defect to toyota...well at least i think it will take time if they do...but the aurion doesnt have anything to worry about with the amount of people that wish their camry or whatever had more poke, as they will pounce straight onto it.

    and yeah the BF wont go any better, i was referring to their upcoming model which i think we will see soon, i reckon it will go fairly well.
     
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    Seeing that most large car sales are fleet cars it'll be whoever discounts the best. Toyota was the best with the corolla last month so that might scare holden with the media bagging them on the fact that nothing was done with the economy of the car.
     
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    The Toyota will be the fastest family car going in a straight line, Then the Mistu 380? then the BF, the poor old VE will likely be the slowest of the lot :bang: but it may well be the best car apart from the likely sluggish performance so I think it will do well
     
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    the upcomming model is an 08 model isnt it? if people havnt seen an aurion yet heres the sportivo and base model.....yes yes yes i'll admit it know i am a bit of a toyota fan i also added the 2mz-fe supercharged engine
     

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    The Ford guy reckons the VE is the reply to what they did with he BA...I think that the BA was a reply to the VT, seeing as the AU was a disaster. I know that in most ways the BA/BF is better than the VY/VZ, but it's not a big margin. With the completely new suspension in the VE, plus the extra power and transmission upgrades, I'm sure the VE will be miles ahead of the BF in performance. Then there's the interior...Oh my god! Ford will have to do a lot to beat that! My point? The BA was a rush job to get rid of the AU, the BF improved slightly upon the BA, but there wasn't anything ground breaking. The VE, with over $1billion invested, simply will not be rivalled until the new Falcon. Updating the BF just wont be enough. I dont know enough about the Aurion to comment on it, but we all know how bad the 380 is.
     
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    I very seriously doubt it's going to be slow! Holden has been quoted to say that the VE will be better in every way, including performance. In a different post someone already said the VE SV6 is quicker than the old one, and that's only had a small increase in power. The V8's should really move.
     
  11. Full Spectrum

    Full Spectrum Bro it's a VW your Audi!

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    I have seen a Aurion about 15 times, Once i was almost under it:D
    Trust me one thing it needs is larger rims and something that looks good.
    But also it doesn't look as good in the flesh as it does in pictures.
    But that front seem a little influence from VZ.
    But i was there when they drove it out on to Telstra Dome last Sunday.
    And when it came to power the boss was um um um over 190kw? What happen to over 200kw???

    Now when the Commodore Sv6-380-VRX-Falcon-XR6-Toyota-Aurion go head to head it's been rumerd the Sv6 is tunned different to allow it to be as fast as the old bugger. Probably in the Gearing and diff ?
    I think the Aurion and the Commodore will come out in-front but what gap over the rest?
     
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    Full Spectrum Bro it's a VW your Audi!

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    Your 100% Right the BA was a direct reply because the VT was good and the AU was a flop. So they had to rush the IRS Turbo Etc into the BA, When it wasn't to be used till Orion.
    Shows you how good the VT-VX was.
    Now admit-tingly the BA-BF had it over the VY-VZ, Biggest part was body stiffness and IRS And at first engines trannys performance, And even the interior in parts was better, But i will never say the dash as holden has always had the best dash set-ups.
    So the VE will bring upgrades to the IRS Suspension body in and out and really it's handling and quality wont be matched by the Falcon, They will come back in 08 with the Orion.
    But if the VE doesn't handle better or just it might be in trouble, Cause i wont settle for anything other then 4.5 Ratting out of 5 against the BF 3.5/5
     
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    When people say its an 08 year model, that means the car is released in 2007.

    Personally I think the VE will be a long way ahead of both Toyota and Ford. But Toyota's Aurion will be much better than the current BF, and with the 200kw+ engine as well as a supercharged 270kw engine, they're taking it up to Holden and Ford for performance and im sure their sales will boom.

    As for Ford... Well I think they're in trouble til the Orion/next falcon is released, but the rumour is that one of the new upgrades is the 6 speed auto will be standard across the entire range, which means 11% more fuel efficient model for Ford which will keep them in the game a bit. If anything I think its a good thing as it should push Holden to atleast make the 5 speed auto standard across the range for the VE II.
     
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    Scotty_Doesn't_Know Don't Tell Scotty...

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    Everyone should just drive a manual ;) lol
     
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    lol thats actually an extremely good point... :wax:
     
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    hahahaha...no six-speeds should be made the standard across all vehicles, auto and manual...u know like in response to efficiency and what not...
     
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    Just how much power do you want going through the front wheels? (I'm guessing it's front wheel drive...) Big power should always be put through the rear, or all 4 wheels...
     
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    It will be interesting to see what toyota's new sports devision(TDR) will do with the aurion.
    I thought that they were saying the aurion will be bout 190kw and the supercharged will be bout 240kw.
    If there are 270kw supercharged auriouns going around why would you bother with a v8 seriously.
     
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    Scotty_Doesn't_Know Don't Tell Scotty...

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    Simple - it's a V8!!! :D
     
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    The actual supercharged engine that is being used is a 270kw engine... But I forget the name. So it would only be 240kw if Toyota de-tuned it... Perhaps to leave room for TDR or something *shrugs*
     

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