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VF Release date?

Discussion in 'VE Holden Commodore (2006 - 2013)' started by SteveHatz, Jun 15, 2011.

  1. kuzman89

    kuzman89 Active Member

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    There's been plenty of talk of HSV bringing out the LS7. See what happens. And Hussy as far as ford copying other car manufacturers, what else were they supposed to do? Invent a whole new system of forced induction? They really only had three options and turbo was the best. And the SV6 doesn't "smash" the xr6 but it does beat it in the tests that I've seen, still though it's pretty close.
     
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    GEN3RATD 100% Teflon

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    in what tests? id like to see a 0-60km one.
     
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    kuzman89 Active Member

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    XR6

    0-100km/h 6.76s
    100km/h-0 41.58m
    400m - 14.87 @ 154.48km/h
    Fuel Consumption on test - 13.7l/100km (kerb weight 1728kg)

    SV6

    0-100km/h 6.46s
    100km/h-0 38.42m
    400m - 14.62 @ 157.28
    Fuel consumption on test - 13.4l/100km (kerb weight 1736)
     
  4. pjdm1980

    pjdm1980 Shut up Jr I'm thinkin!

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    It will more than likely be the same set up as they used for the 2.6TT Allotec that was installed in to Saab's a few years back, a better system but more expensive would have been a variable vein turbo and was more about better fuel economy than power (ie Volkswagen's S/C T/C 1.4Ltr motors with 2.0Ltr power and 1.4 fuel economy).

    Walkinshaw do the super charging and by far out power the FPV's and Walkinshaw are another part of Holden's performance division which is why it's all covered under warranty by Holden.

    I'm not sure how long you've been into cars but before the Ecotec S/C motor Buick made a turbo set up (only single but still a turbo) of the early model V6's.
     
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    GEN3RATD 100% Teflon

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    thats suprizing! thanks for that man.
    Holden Commodore SV6 vs Ford Falcon XR6
    another good read.
     
  6. Calaber

    Calaber Nil Bastardo Carborundum

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    The VF is due for release sometime during 2013, probably during the second half of the year.
     
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    yeah read that one, really shows how close they are and in the real world differences do emerge. I've heard of some people having shocking economy whilst some get great. Really comes down to alot of variables.
     
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    I'd just like to say I've enjoyed the lulz in this thread.
     
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    Calaber Nil Bastardo Carborundum

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    Gees, I wish you guys would get your facts straight about Holden history instead of sprouting off half-correct information.

    Nissan didn't "give" Holden anything. Unleaded fuel regulations were due to be introduced in mid 1986 and Holden knew the old black six could not be upgraded effectively to run on unleaded. The Holden engineers had to search the world for a suitable sized engine for the next model Commodore, which was to be called "VL", and was to comply with the unleaded regulations. The RB30 was the most suitable and most cost-effective alternative available at the time (this was around 1983-84). Another alternative that was considered was the Buick V6, but it was considered to be too old to put into a new car, as it had been in production for many years already, and the cost difference between the Nissan and Buick engines was not very much. The Nissan engine had the advantage of being more modern as well.

    By the time the VL was released, the exchange rate between the Japanese Yen and the Australian Dollar had altered significantly, to Holden's detriment and the RB30 was no longer the cheap alternative it had been. That's one reason why the VL was the only model to run the Nissan engine. When development of the VN commenced, it was obvious that another engine was required and Holden was forced to go back to the Buick V6 because of the cost and its superior torque characteristics, which better suited the heavier VN.
     
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    if it were me id be leaning towards a VE SV6 ute anyway, as i prefer the shape. whats the point of having a fast car if you dont like to look at it?

    edit: thats if all the V8s in the world blew up
     
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    I have also heard late 2013 for the VF release. I've heard the VE will receive another facelift before the VF comes out as well.
     
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    this is not an issue isolated to holden buy any large sedan and you take the hit
    go buy a merc or BMW and watch you cash roll out over three years
     
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    95% of these posts have been off topic but i have enjoyed the read regardless

    what I'm really trying to get at though is whether or not to wait for the VF to come out or not

    spose i could have a series 2 for 2 1/2 years and then trade in...IF i like the VF's when they come out, i sure as hell know that I love VE's though
     
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    Jarp Surely You Jest

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    A 5ltr 315kw DI V8 sounds like a cracker. Not to mention some big weight savings. The VF will be sweet and won't need charging I reckon....well not for a while anyway.
     
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    Steve

    The VF will be basically the VE bodyshell with substantially redesigned front end sheet metal, from the windscreen forward. There will be styling variations at the rear but I believe they will be restricted to bumpers and lights. Wheels magazine had an article about the VF a couple of months ago and reckoned that the rear quarter panels will be restyled but I doubt that because of the cost. Engines will be further refined - there will probably be a more powerful V6 but I couldn't be sure about the V8's. Interior design will probably be pretty extensively overhauled. Rumour has it that lightweight panels will be used to reduce overall weight and improve economy. This should happen because the Feds recently donated bulk dollars to Holden as part of their Green Vehicles program, on the proviso that the money is used to develop more economical cars.

    The car will cost more than a VE does now, will probably use less fuel, will weigh less, probably feel about the same to drive and will look different. It will make the VE look out of date, so your resale on a VE II will suffer as it always does when a new-look model is released. It's really up to you whether you can wait another two years or so for the new model.
     
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    wow, thanks for all that info...it's a big help
    decisions, decisions........
     
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    ha. if it was anything recent wouldn't you be asking yourself why it was only 'keeping up'.
     
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    TinSnips Polish all the things...

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    I've just read through 4 pages with about 3 posts on topic :hmmm: And all I have to add is...

    You're forgetting the flat 6 that porsche use, Cam! haha




    That's me done! :thumbsup:
     
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    I hate to sound anal but the R35 GTR is a V6 TT.
     
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    minux Infidel Bear

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    LULZ @ the fan boi's in this thread. Why are the biggest fan twats always V6 owners?

    Priceless.
     

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