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VF1 SSV Redline Exhaust Modification

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Lukey used to make a twin in twin out for the HK-G-T that actually had the inlets on each end on one side and the outlets next to them so you could run it at the rear and still have twin tail pipes.

Like this, but no pipework or brackets.

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Lukey used to make a twin in twin out for the HK-G-T that actually had the inlets on each end on one side and the outlets next to them so you could run it at the rear and still have twin tail pipes.

Like this, but no pipework or brackets.

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Yes they did. I fitted one once but it didn't sound as good as the long straight through's under the seats.

I've still got the old Lukey catalogue we called "The Bible" back in the day!
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Here's a V8 Supercar muffler of similar Lukey design, it's a 3" perforated tube, 5" diameter 409 stainless 500mm long packed with stainless wool, 2 are welded together about a foot from the exit through the side skirt.
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I'll modify a couple of SS bi-modals again soon and what I do with them, is leave an open chamber at the inlet and then run two 2" perforated tubes to the outlets and pack them with fibreglass. They're a bit louder than stock but the note's great and quite enough with the valves closed.
 
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Quite off-topic now ... but what about titanium exhausts?
I'd assume nobody mass-produces these for a VF, and getting one custom-made would I assume be particularly bespoke & skillsy/experty so just not done?
Only asking because for some cars the titanium sounds better, I believe possibly because the metal's thinner?
 

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Quite off-topic now ... but what about titanium exhausts?
I'd assume nobody mass-produces these for a VF, and getting one custom-made would I assume be particularly bespoke & skillsy/experty so just not done?
Only asking because for some cars the titanium sounds better, I believe possibly because the metal's thinner?

A titanium twin 2.5" exhaust for an M3/M4 BMW is 12k not cheap! They're super light weight, you can't weld them easily and a waste of money realistically I think.
 

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A titanium twin 2.5" exhaust for an M3/M4 BMW is 12k not cheap! They're super light weight, you can't weld them easily and a waste of money realistically I think.
I believe the same TBH, any sound improvement is difficult to justify that sort of cost-difference ... and that's for a mass-produced product, if nobody makes a Commodore one (which is likely given the value of the cars vs the size of the target-market) then it sorta requires some super-specialist to turn one out which means you're probably looking at more like (I reckon) $50k for one ...

Was also thinking about sound quality, if people are saying the stainless ones for VF aren't sounding as good as mild-steel ones, that would mean the thicker-wall exhausts are sounding better? So making it considerably thinner than stainless again might not help sound-quality at all!
 

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Was also thinking about sound quality, if people are saying the stainless ones for VF aren't sounding as good as mild-steel ones, that would mean the thicker-wall exhausts are sounding better? So making it considerably thinner than stainless again might not help sound-quality at all!
I also suspect the sound of otherwise identical exhausts are influenced by the tube wall thickness.

From what I gather, the thicker the tube wall the more energy is required for the tube to resonate and the resonance seems deeper which influences the base sound of the exhaust. Thicker tube walls = deeper resonance = deeper sound (all other things being equal).

As stainless exhausts seem to have thinner tube walls than steel exhausts, and I’d think titanium would be even thinner walled tubing than stainless (due to it being strong and light allowing yne thinner walls). Like for like, titanium exhausts would have an even tinnier sound.

However, the base sound an exhaust produces is dependant on header and exhaust design (tube diameter, how and where it tubes merges or changes volume as well as the muffler can volumes, baffles and their placement). And as titanium is rather light in comparison to thin stainless, let alone thick aluminised steel, they could build a much more complex shaped and sized exhaust to overcome any tinny sound titanium would naturally want to produce.

But I suspect packaging and cost focus is probably the biggest limitation in design as modern engine bays just don’t have the same space available as old school engine bays, especially for headers where cats tend to be placed closer and closer to the exhausts port to aid fire-up (I think they call it).

At the end of the day it all comes down to design and with after market, bling bling is an easy design aim which seems to sell so on that front stainless rules...

Wind instrument musical experts talk of tube wall thickness and how it influences the tone/texture/colour* of the base sound and of the effort required to play the instrument.... and only car manufacturers that produce squillion dollar cars contract musical instrument designers during the design of the intake and exhaust systems. Toyota LFA design is one example, see 27.30 below (where they talk about the intake sound, pity they don’t talk of the exhaust sound)


For the rest of us living in affordable land, bling bling will just have to do (though I must say Holden did a nice job design the MSE and bi-modal muffler with Bailey Tip) :p

* People who are into high end musical wind instruments and have an ear for the sound use these and more terms to describe the sound of the instruments but me, I’m anything but musical :rolleyes:
 
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Quite off-topic now ... but what about titanium exhausts?
I'd assume nobody mass-produces these for a VF, and getting one custom-made would I assume be particularly bespoke & skillsy/experty so just not done?
Only asking because for some cars the titanium sounds better, I believe possibly because the metal's thinner?

Ultimate weight saving option I guess.
Akrapovic is the popular brand, but seems to have sold out and is appearing on all sorts of mainstream cars now (VW T-roc?!)

EDIT: this page seems to think 3000GBP for a factory fit, so a bit less for aftermarket? 40% weight saving
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/the-pros-and-cons-of-different-exhaust-materials/

Now on another tangent, some inconel headers, mmmm

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Now on another tangent, some inconel headers, mmmm
Always liked inconel as a material which is old school aerospace (rocket nozels, fighter planes jets exhausts and such) but for us, commonly seen on piston engined airplane headers. Has nice bling bling and I don’t think it goes blue like titanium.

Interestingly, inconel melts between 1290-1350C while titanium melts at a higher 1668C which you’d think would make it better for headers :oops:
 

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Interestingly, inconel melts between 1290-1350C while titanium melts at a higher 1668C which you’d think would make it better for headers :oops:

Depends on your microstructural changes and their effect on ductility and strength as you heat up and melt.
High melting temp materials can still soften early.

As a materials scientist my favourite high operating temp factoid is the hot turbine blades in jet or turbofan engines. They operate above their melting point!
Also some useful info on why nickel based alloys are better
https://www.theengineer.co.uk/rolls-royce-single-crystal-turbine-blade/
 
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