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Vt issue - can't get in the car :(

Discussion in 'VT - VX Holden Commodore (1997 - 2002)' started by El_Freddo, Jul 9, 2018.

  1. El_Freddo

    El_Freddo New Member

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    G'day all,

    I've read a few threads about this using the search function. Our situation doesn't quite fit anything that I've already found on the forum.

    Basically I can't get into the car (series2 V6 Acclaim ~360k km) by the key fob or manually using the key. Both key fobs don't work, one had the battery replaced last month and was awesome with unlocking the car 10m away.

    I've got into the boot and found the interior light off so thought it was a flat battery. No flashing indicators when the boot was opened either - alarm siren turned off atm.

    I've got the bonnet open and threw the jumper leads on, still no go. I tried to swap the battery but terminals were the wrong way around. Checked voltage on pulled battery, 12.8v. Put that back in. Still no dice.

    I can't remember if I locked the car or deadlocked it as well last night when I locked it up. 12hrs later and we're locked out.

    After putting the car battery back in, I noticed the red
    Immobiliser light flashing - I can't say I saw it flashing before.

    I've tried both key's buttons in the middle of the windscreen where the IR receiver apparently is.

    I can't get through the drop down panel in the middle of the seat, I don't know if it's possible from the boot - but in my case it's definitely not due to three kids seats installed across the back seat.

    If we can't get this sorted on our own or someone doesn't come up with what the issue is then we'll talk to a locksmith. I'm reluctant to do this as we're tight for coin atm (who isn't?).

    I understand if you're not willing to share info here openly, PM is fine. Or if anyone in Bendigo is willing to drop over and check it out drop us a line and I'll on my mobile number ;)

    Regards

    Bennie
     
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    BlackVXGTS Well-Known Member

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    Try these steps:

    1. If the car is deadlocked you can unlock the driver's door by firmly turning the key clockwise in the door lock. The snib button does not pop out, but pulling the door handle will still open the door.
    2. Try unlocking the doors with the remote touching the side of your head near the temple. Sounds strange, but that gives the remote extra distance range.
     
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    You’re sure it’s your car... right? o_O
    On the back parcel shelf there are two cutouts for speakers. The centres of the cutouts are just tack welded in place. Grab a chisel and hammer and crack one of those out. This should give you a way of reaching in and unclipping or unscrewing one of the baby seats to give you a better shot at accessing the centre seat opening. Could you have damaged the bcm module somehow? Maybe kicked it hard or something? That could cause some kind of communication problem with the locking system I’d think.
     
  4. El_Freddo

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    Thanks BlackVXGTS and RiffRaffMama. It's actually my wife's vehicle (can provide rego number to check vehicle status on the vicroads web page if you're really concerned) and seems to be one of the better units around that goes against the grain of "commodores are **** etc etc". We've had it since '04 at 80k km ex fleet vehicle. We've put some k's on it since then!

    I'll give the temple trick a go with the key fobs. I won't be holding my breath though as it does sound odd!

    I'm not sure where the bcm on these things is located. The car didn't talk any unusual knocks on the hr plus drive home towing a car trailer... And no one had a conniption in the car either :p

    Using that speaker hole trick sounds good but I doubt I'll get the seat belt off and that'll hold the whole operation at a halt. The rear anchor straps are tight too - my usual way to remove these seats is to undo the seat belt then lift the seat to undo the rear anchor.

    I don't know if this has anything to do with it but I pushed the hazard light switch into the dash board when I switched it on to test the trailer indicator lights. I'm not sure how I turned them off but they're off by fiddling with the floating switc through the hole it should've been mounted in.

    @VT&VX (reply to your suggestion in the doubled up thread) - I read a thread saying that the key fobs were IR and that a whole heap of things can interfere with this if parked near them (which we're not).
    As for the battery, that's not the issue - and turning it around 180deg means that the pos terminal would be where the neg connector is and vice versa. This battery has the terminals on the wrong long side of the battery for the battery connections. Eg: closest side to driver is neg on rhs of vehicle and pos on the lhs. These need to be on the front side.

    Using the key manually (both of them) just feels like I'm going to break the key or the lock, probably the key really.

    I'll have a go at these suggestions and see what happens. My gut feeling is an expensive auto sparky call out (that I want to avoid!).

    Cheers

    Bennie
     
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    Here's our beast with my sister's liberty before it too copped a similar driving light treatment ;)

    [​IMG]

    Cheers

    Bennie
     
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    Battery terminals wrong way round doesn't sound promising. Have you checked your fuses?
     
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    I think/hope that means the terminals on the battery he wanted to try were in the wrong position for the leads to reach.
     
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    Have you tried this ? Yes, it does feel like you are going to break something, but that is the way to do it.
    If you can't stand the thought of doing it yourself, get the RACV.
     
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    Yeah there was no chance I was going to hook up the battery backwards! I'm a pretty competent DIYer... Subarus and old Holden's are my forte. I've not had to do much on this car :D

    Thanks for the other suggestions. Forcing the key didn't seem to work. And I'm not keen to push it super hard. Read below about that further.

    @RiffRaffMama - your rear boot trick worked. It took some time and effort and to some degree I feel like I've butchered a bit of the car as I had to cut through the interior parcel shelf panel.

    Once in the car I tried a rear door lock, no dice. Tried the key fob again, no dice. Did the old trick when key fob didn't let us in and the key lock would - started car, lights start flashing (alarm would go off but this turned off atm), turn car off, lock and unlock doors with fob to cancel lights/alarm. So fob works again but I'm reluctant to have this happen again.

    Key will not lock the door now. This is a new issue. We can't push the interior lock tab down on the driver's door when the door is closed either. We have to push another lock tab if we want to lock ourselves in...

    So not right at the bottom of the underlying issue. Should I be looking at key fobs or something on the vehicle?

    Thanks again to those who put suggestions forward.

    Regards

    Bennie
     
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    Have you checked fuses though? Failure in the way you describe almost sounds like a main fuse or something.
     
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    Key will not lock the door now. This is a new issue. We can't push the interior lock tab down on the driver's door when the door is closed either. We have to push another lock tab if we want to lock ourselves in... [/QUOTE]

    I recently had a problem with the passengers door lock tab. Ripped the tab off the threaded wire trying to unlock it. Then it worked ….. WTF ???.
    A good dose of silicon spray, and all good. Not that your problem seems the same.

    So, you can lock all doors via a passenger tab ?
    And you can lock all doors via the fob ?
    But you can’t lock all doors via the drivers tab ?
    The solenoid in the drivers door seized ? But if it was, it wouldn’t lock.
    Check the plastic tab to see if it is binding on the surround.
     
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    @_R_J_K_ - I don't see how this is a fuse issue as the fob is accepted once it's been in the ignition in the ON/run position... Everything on the car worked as it should've on our 200km travelled today.

    @figjam - I did the forced twist of the driver's door key barrel and it finally let go and worked. But it seems that it needs to be done very time :/
    Oddly we can now lock the central locking from inside using the driver's door tab like there was never an issue there...

    I'm reluctant to use the key fob to lock the car to avoid the same locked out situation as experienced yesterday.

    I would like to get to the bottom of this. I don't know if it's a fob issue or an issue with something in the vehicle...

    Cheers

    Bennie
     
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    replacing the battery in the fobs often causes more harm than good
    but now you have two suspect fobs so not sure if you can get a new one cloned
     
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    If that is the case, a competent locksmith can make you a new one, if you can supply the key code, or pay extra to get it from Holden by the VIN..
     
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    i never understand why the manual key doesn't work
    my remote actually broke today and i was able to unlock my dead locked car with the key as easy as any other lock

    not using any force at all turn to 1 o'clock it un deadlocks, turn again to 2 o'clock and the buttons pop up

    simple
     
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    Hmmm... One has a new battery, the other which is our current every day use one still has the factory battery in it. No joke. It used to be the spare key until the main key fob died.

    I think we're going to have to go down this road. Where can I find the key code on the vehicle or the key rather than going to Holden?

    Beats me, ANY time we use the manual lock on the door now it's force only.
    Looks like I'll have to look into this issue too. It's not like it's flogged out from over use!

    I'll give it some loving with some inox and see what happens unless someone advises against lubing up the for lock barrel. This stuff doesn't attract dust and won't wash off with water...

    Cheers

    Bennie
     
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    correct. but not as simple as just going to a mister minit
    the key code is on the security card in the owners book
    if this is missing you will need to take proof of ownership to holden
     
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    You would be better off using graphite powder to lube the lock. You can buy it in a little plastic squeeze bottle.
     
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    Woo hoo! Yay me! :D Glad I could help. I know how tight those car seat harnesses are, that’s why I suggested you may need to undo and remove the bolt itself to free them up. I’m parting out a VX which has an unmolested parcel shelf I’d be happy to throw your way gratis if you ever go near Geelong (or want to pay postage on it).

    I had a problem with my door locks sticking in my old VT Berlina when I first got it - couldn’t pop them up from inside but key and fob still worked - but I can’t recall the reason. I’ll have to ask the husband what the problem was again.

    The bcm as I recall is down near your right foot. If you know somebody with a tech2 or a sympathetic mechanic who will use theirs for free/cheap you can get your key code through it.

    I might be drawing a long bow here but perhaps the hazard lights incident is related. I’m thinking something along the lines of the hazard lights flashing being part of the response when the alarm goes off... the car then thinking it’s in alarm mode... not providing access then as security measure... I haven’t thought it through thoroughly but maybe someone else has some input on the interconnectedness of the hazards and locks? Also, the fuses often cover more than one feature eg: the fuse for the boot light also controls the interior light. I know in my VX the door locks share the same fuse with the windows and the antenna. Are yours working?
     

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