VY V6 Cruise Control ... Series 1 vs Series 2 different somehow?

Hey Guys, I have just bought a VY V6 Series 1 Wagon (Granny Spec) to get me around while in between 4x4's.

The wagon of doom does not have cruise control, so I have been researching for the past two days to find out what is involved. (It will be doing a lot of long distance cruising).

So far I believe that I need;
# Cruise Control Module.
# Cruise Control Throttle Cable.
# Throttle Body Cable Linkage to support both Throttle Cables.
# Brake Switch.
# Cruise Stalk.

And also the loom needs to be in the car (Which I am not sure if it has, as I have not picked it up yet and didn't look for the needed plugs while inspecting).

Then I came across this, VY SER II CRUISE CONTROL KIT
Holmart says (And I presume that they know what they are talking about), that it suits series 2 only.


Can anyone tell me why this would not suit a series 1?
What is the difference between the series one and series 2 cruise control?
Can a series 2 system be made to work with a series 1?

edit: I also have been unable to find what is involved in regards to wiring cruise control into a VY that doesn't have a loom/plugs already there ... any ideas?

Many thanks to anyone that can shed some light on this subject.

 

Cheers for all the help guys, It is much appreciated.


I pick the car up in two days, I'll have a better look at it to see exactly what I am dealing with and then get back to you.

 

Well I picked up the car last night and unfortunately there is no loom for cruise control.

So I have been offered a "Command AP50" unit from a wanted ad on gumtree.

The reviews on them seem to be pretty good, so I think that I will give it a shot.




Has anyone put one on a VY V6 before?
I am asking because it seems that you can either wire them up with magnets on the driveshaft or you can hook them up to some sort of pulsing wire (eg electronic speedo), and I am wondering the best way to do so.


Thanks for all help so far.

 

Muchas gracias amigo!


I should be able to pick up the AP50 unit and try to install it this weekend.



How do you rate the unit?, Did any come back to you due to faults/failures?


Another quickie...If I don't ask now I will never know.

In my manual, it states that when cruise control is engaged (factory cruise), it goes into some mode that is distinctly different from the "power" or "normal" modes that you can select on the transmission tunnel.
Would this be the "lean cruise" style mode?
What else would the factory cruise control do to the engine/transmission computers when activated?
Does "lean cruise" only get activated when the factory cruise control is used?, or will it be activated with the "ap50" unit simulating a steady throttle?

I guess what I'm asking is, will "lean cruise" be activated by an aftermarket cruise control system?


Cheers Tasmaniak ... Is there rep on this site?

 

Cheers Tas.

Here is an excerpt from an "Autospeed" article discussing the Lean cruise" function.


"Under cruise conditions, the VN-VPs cruise on 14.7:1, while VRs onward use a lean cruise function. Lean cruise kicks in once coolant temperature is over 80 degrees C, you're travelling faster than 68 km/h, the engine is spinning at between 1600 and 2800 rpm and manifold vacuum is between 40 kPa and 60 kPa absolute (the VS-on works on an airflow meter signal). Once 150 seconds is timed out under those conditions, the air-fuel ratio will lean out one point every 0.15 seconds. They're set up to run as lean as 16.5:1 - but only at that light load cruise situation. You can't be driving on and off the throttle.

When we map an early V6, we'll usually put VR lean cruise into the program. We can also change the parameters - like the 150-second delay - inside the software. This all makes your fuel economy skyrocket."




By "steady throttle" I meant steady speed ... but anyway, it looks like the conditions needed for "lean cruise" to initiate do not have anything to do with the factory cruise control.
As long as an aftermarket cruise control systems can keep the engine within the criteria above ... then it should activate!?

Fingers crossed haha


I don't know why I care so much about this, I have just sold a Toyota FJ40 that averaged 23l per 100k that I have been daily driving for years .. I guess I just like to do things right the first time!


PS, It seems that I can only "sherrif's star" my own posts ... lol
Al I can do for you is report your posts! haha

 

I just picked up the AP50 unit and am reading the install instructions now.

I am specifically reading the section on "Magnet and Speed Sensor Installation".

Here is a quote.
"The speed sensor, along with a magnet provide distance pulses to the cruise control. When the drive shaft rotates, the magnet attached to it moves past the speed coil. This generates electrical pulses which are counted by the cruise control.
This cruise control has been optimised to work with the speed coil and magnet pickup or a Universal Speed Pulse Generator, it will not function of existing speed signals used for ECM or speedo.
Do not connect to signals other than the Speed Coil or Universal Speed Pulse Generator as this may damage the input."

Reading this makes me freak out a little.

Their is two wires going to the speed pickup coil, How exactly did you hook them up to the VSS?
Could giving them a powered source like the VSS destroy the unit?



Lucky last, what does a GPS connector plug look like, got a pic?



I owe you guys a beer.


Cheers
McAwesome.

 

The star only appears on my posts?

 

OK, so I am looking for the VSS. (assuming it is ok to use, if you read my post above).


Which one is the GPS plug? (Gear Position Sensor I am assuming?), is it the one on the left where my finger is holding up the two purple with white wires?