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VY2 Berlina Wagon - H11 Low beam is a POS! :( Better bulb advice PSE?

Discussion in 'VY Holden Commodore (2002 - 2004)' started by vk4akp, Oct 11, 2018.

  1. vk4akp

    vk4akp Starfire, Fear V Power!!

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    Hi,

    So I've bought myself a second VY2 Wagon to do up.
    My original wagon is an Executive but the new one is a Berlina.

    Low beam in the old Executive was crap too until I put some Narva H4 Plus 60 's in.
    From that point on I could actually see the road on low beam. They gave 60% more light + 20m extra throw on low beam (Which was sadly lacking before) + more hours of run time life.

    Now with the Berlina the bulbs are different.
    I'm lead to believe H11 (55W) for Low beam and H9 (65W) for High?
    Apparently the housing is called a Projector style?

    OK, so the question is. What to buy?

    Want's..
    - Must be legal
    - No crazy prices (H11 Low Beam pair say budget of $50-$60 max)
    - Longer throw (at least as good as the H4 Narva's I bought)
    - Brighter ("as above")
    - Longer life / MTBF (No half life or worse spec's to cater for the increased output).
    - LED would be preferable, but only if stock fit without mods, and no fan's.
    - Lights must look stock from outside. No crazy blue tinges etc.
    - Cleaner White'r light instead of horrid Yellow would be nice.
    - Must not go over original current draw (55W Low / 65W High)

    If you also know of better options for my Executive's H4 's I'd also love that info too please.

    Any help advice appreciated.

    - Ken -
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    vk4akp Starfire, Fear V Power!!

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    Yea, I see people are adapting the high beam bulbs into the low sockets. I'll have a look when I drive it next at night but I don't think the high beams were much better really.
    And yes I am currently considering the Philips +100 's as they seem to be the cheapest if bought through eBay there is a seller (Big_Yard) that does them for ~$50 a pair. Trouble is I really don't like supporting that particular seller because they ripped me off for 2x HTC M9 's a little over a year ago. Turned out to be fake rebirthed / re-cased phones. One wasn't even an M9 guts. :(
    I'm going to try and find some info on how many hours life you get on the Narva's and the Philips +100's.

    I also wonder about these..
    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2x-H11-...t-Fog-Headlight-Light-Bulb-White/173390107257

    But it's probably a case of you get what you pay for.
    It would be nice to start replacing all the bulbs with LED's purely for run time life.
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    Phillips Extreme 100 or Extreme plus 130.
     
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    Are they aimed correctly? Projectors look trash if they aren't aimed properly.
     
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    Would an aftermarket HID kit be legal for the low beam in Nannystate Ozland? I have projector headlights on my "Monaro" and as long as you choose the right temperature bulbs, they give a lovely crisp, white light. With the lovely, white lowbeam, I can live with the crappy yellowish high beam which blends with the nice low beam.

    It would be easy enough to swap back for inspections - although here I don't have to.
     
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    No, HID's also require auto leveling to be legal.
     
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    Hey @Sandman what about Philips Power Vision +60 's? Are they much less then the Extreme +100 's?
    I'm guessing the +60 's would have a better run time life?
    But if there is a huge difference I think I'm currently leaning towards the +100 's in Philips as the Narva's are far more expensive.
    Looks like $60 delivered through a trustworthy eBay seller. Or $51 through Big_Yard.

    @lowandslow Yea they seem to be aimed OK. Just very dull. Probably cheap and old rubbish bulbs too.

    I have to get new disc rotors and pads too as the front ones are warped.
    So the parts list is starting to add up $'s wise already. Also the 6 stacker is stuffed, plus a few other bits and pieces. Tail shaft bearing rubber is torn, rear gearbox seal, motor oil leak (Not sure where yet). I try to be patient but maintaining two cars on a limited income can be challenging. I try and wait for Supercheap specials for most things.

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    I have to wonder why these cars seem so prone to warped discs - both of my Monaros had warped discs when I bought them, despite having plenty of metal left, and now the current car is starting to suffer again after just 2 years
     
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    cheap rotors and pads most likely.
     
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    yeah cheap rotors will do that very quickly. I got some of the cheapies off ebay a couple of years ago and it barely took 6 months for them to get hot spots again. Replaced them with DBA rotors and been good for a long time now
     
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    Well I've got a compete set of 4 Bosch rotors for my Executive Wagon (My daily) and Bendix Premium Ceramic pads waiting. Supercheap does half price sales from time to time so very reasonable. The rotors were $32 each for example.
    When the sail comes about again I will do the same for the Berlina Wagon

    Apparently warped disc's are common not only for the Commodores of the era but also the Borket Falcon's of the same era.
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    I have Bosch rotors on the front and they are ok but that's as good as they get. I have found they are softer and will form a ridge quicker than RDA's or DBA's in a higher quality range. Falcon's have been shockers on rotors back as far as EF and probably longer.
     
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    Yea, it was hinted that Bosch aren't the best and to go DBA etc. It was a price point thing for me at the time. I haven't fitted them yet.
    I exist on a fairly tight budget so plan ahead a lot when it comes to living expenses. The half price deal was the clincher for me.
    With the price of fuel currently the cars don't get a lot of use anyhow at the moment.

    I'm still trying to decide on bulbs. I'd like Plus 100's in a long life but the budget I set of around $60 a pair isn't looking good. Even on eBay.
    .-.-.
     
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    vk4akp Starfire, Fear V Power!!

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    OK. So still mucking with this.
    I ordered some Chickidy China ones on eBay.
    <$3 each delivered. They turned up the other day. Were supposed to be brighter then OEM. By about 60% I think.
    No difference when fitted. :(
    The originals were Osram branded. But looked stock. Also the filaments were pretty burnt and white oxidised. So I assume nearing EOL.
    I'm starting to wonder about LED's. I don't want to do the shocking mod where you cut a ring hole in the back cover for the ugly fan to hang out of.
    I do see many now that look stock size and should fit but don't have the fan.
    But they always have the disclaimer of "not suitable as driving / headlights". What's the go?

    Otherwise it's looking like back to the Philips +100's as a last ditch effort at around ~$65 currently.
    I also have to do the H3 Fog Lights. One has a dead globe. Fitted is 12v H3 55W. But I don't know if that's the factory fitted wattage?
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    Forget LEDs they won't throw the distance you're after. Get some plus 100s or 120s or 130s if they can be bought. Failing that upgrade the harness with some 6mm and 40a relays and run 100w/130w Bosch. I have done that before and it was brill. Just make sure the housings can handle the extra heat, some can't.
     
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    Ok for the headlights, I bought a pair of these LEDs for my old Audi A4, put them in the high beam spot and they are amazing! Super white light, long throw and NO MODS to the casing, ie reversible if you need.
    I know it's more then you were wanting to spend but have a look at them anyway.

    https://www.stedi.com.au/holden-led-light-conversion-kit.html

    I also have an aftermarket HID kit from jaycar in the low beams as on my car the LEDs were physically too large to fit in the low beam spot (Factory Audi Projectors by the way, so no-one go crazy about HIDs in reflector housings.)
    Factory HID look to them as in no super blue light, only the tinge you get with factory ones.

    But i'd go LED if you had a choice between them, just that bit nicer, no warm up time, and run cooler, and direct replacement.

    I melted some lenses once doing that. lol. only 100 watts too.
     
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    OK. Thanks for the info.
    Looks like Philips +100 , H11 's for the low beam then.
    The LED conversion for the high beam looks nice. But for now the high beam is quiet good. I have no idea why Low is so bad. But I did find the same problem with my Executive wagon and had to put Narva +60 , H4 's in it. Made it much better but probably should have gone +100 's for it as well.
     

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