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VZ overheating, and temperature going crazy.

Discussion in 'VZ Holden Commodore (2004 - 2006)' started by jackcurrie, Apr 24, 2013.

  1. MYVESSV8

    MYVESSV8 Well-Known Member

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    is it leaking from the heater tap, looks like it
     
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    After looking into it, heater tap looks to be the spot the leaks coming from! Assuming thats all it is, fingers crossed, shouldn't take much to fix. Will go to a radiator specialist tomorrow and have it all fixed/checked. But definitely appears to be the heater tap.
     
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    Is that green coolant ? It does look like the heater tap is leaking if that is green coolant is it the rite green stuff as only a couple green coolants that can be used in a alloytec.
     
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    i've heard green coolant isn't ideal, but its what was put in last service, and I didnt want to mix two coolant types so I filed it with more green. Any known issues when the heater tap is leaking, or is it likel just the one fix, without a domino affect of issues and $$$$.
     
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    Yeah I was looking at prices on ebay. I took it in today, found another small leak apparently in the radiator, so a coolant flush, heater tap, and new radiator toether done for just under $500. Hopefully all will be fixed. Part of me doubts it needed the radiator, but best to get it all done now, than have a series of things go wrong.
     
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    did they show you where the leak was on radiator? I would like to know if i'm spending that kind of brass, hopefully all fixed now
     
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    He did actually, before I even had a chance to ask. He said upfront, before I'd said to go through with it, that the radiators leak may not be an immediate issue. But we both agreed, that once the major leak was fixed, it would likely make the radiator leak bigger, as that would be the only flaw in the system. The leak wasn't huge in the radiator, but it was definitely there. Had stains around it, and would have definitely spread with the other leak fixed. Bit bummed I just spent over a weeks wages (Im an apprentice), but hopefully thats enough car woes for a while.
     
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    thats good to hear that he was right up front about it, yeah apprentice wages are not high (mine was $125 p/w as a first year sparky) (many many moons ago) good to see all going well at present
     
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    Had the same problem. had small leak in heater tap. when car cools down instead of sucking coolant back from overflow tank sucked air in through heater tap and developed an airblock. I replaced radiator cap and heater tap. Cost $85.00 from holden. Drained and replaced coolant and bled system properly. no Probs since. When car overheated on the gauge it did not smell hot and a pressure test found nothing wrong. Have been told an airlock around the temp sensor will detect steam temp not water temp hence the rapid rise in temp. My car has done 215000 k's so can't complain
     
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    While average running temperature is about 25% it can be boiling at 30% ie not even half way on the gauge. system must be able to pressurise or it will boil
     
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    how many kays?
    ours has got 190k i estimate probe started about 170k.

    heater tap replaced, then found water pump had slow leak as did coolant cap.if radiator lasts to 250k ill be surprised also.

    when the car is hot and has a small leak from the pump it dries up quick. we got away with it for 20-30k before it got bad enough. look for any green or red stains near the front of the block. changed water pump yesterday easy job.
     
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    oops just read.
    mate u could've got the parts off ebay. all up under 200 and done it yourself with "how to" on here. hope its sorted for u now. bloody money buckets cars are!
     
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    VZ Calias BMW 5 speed Auto failing and cooks the radiator

    if the crazy overheating started around 170K then its the auto gear box cooler system is cooking the cars radiator. Had to replace the BMW 5 speed Auto.
     
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    I know this is months late, but anyone who searches this might find it useful.

    After chasing leaks from the heater tap, hoses, thermostat, there was a crack in the block losing water. Car was as good as scraps. ($5000 for a new engine installed with any warranty), and the car only cost me $8500.

    After spending well over $1000 on the leaks, and the thermostat, I was done. My experience with alloytechs sucked, and its turned me off them for a little while now. I'm assuming my situation was a little extreme, but if you somehow have the same symptoms, consider this might be the issue, god forbid.
     
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    How did you determine that there was a crack in the block?
     
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    I mean what diagnoses was done on the car to come up with that root cause?
     
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    Well basically, when it was taken in to have the thermostat replaced, the mechanically basically said its 99% that, but if the leak somehow isnt that, it'd be the block. Once he removed everything to get to the thermostat (which we all know is placed in the stupidest spot imaginable), he noticed some staining down the block. Without removing anything else to be 100%, he replaced the thermo, did a pressure test, and it was fine. Then he took it for a spin, got it warmer, and the leak had started again.

    Literally every aspect of my cooling system had been fixed prior, radiator, heater tap, basically all hoses, etc. So through a case of elimination, he told me it was almost certain the block was cracked, and it was time to 'temporarily' fix it, and cut my losses somehow. Didn't even pretend he was interested in the money to place a new engine in, he actually advised me against the idea completely.
     
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    thats sounds like a pretty rare thing to happen i would think. sure its not a welsh plug or something, maybe even within the bell housing?
    have u tried getting a second opinion? is ur mechanic an old school guy? alot of their diagnosis' arnt up with the modern technology, theyre still thinking of cast iron and 202'

    i will add that yes im fed up with alloytecs as well, leaking this and leaking that! pissed the mrs' one off and got a mazda 3. next car will be an 8 too.
     
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    My experiences with the Alloytec have not been to fortunate either, although I bought the car used under warranty.

    I bought my 06 VZ Executive with 144,000 kms on the clock and around two weeks later it started overheating, I took it to the dealerships mechanic and he told me that whole radiator needed replacing (which was done for free but still), then two weeks later the same thing happened and it continued to overhead but the come back down to the normal temperature range, although this time it was a faulty radiator cap!
     

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