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VZ W/ Alloytec or Something W/ Ecotec for first car?

leov9406

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This is my first post here so I might have posted in the wrong spot soz.

I have fallen in love with a VZ SV6 that will probably become my first car in 2 or so years, but tons of people I have spoken to are telling me to avoid the alloytec.
I could easily get an ecotec, but I really like this VZ. So the questions I have are:
How big is the power difference from ecotec to alloytec?
How unreliable is the alloytec and is it worth the wait?

Not old enough to buy a V8
Any advice would be appreciated




Its in great condition and in Turismo Mica like the one pictured below
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In terms of on-road performance they’re about equal, with the Ecotec having better off idle torque. You’ll need to rev the alloytec harder to realise it’s potential.

Exhaust note of the Ecotec is worlds better than that of the alloytec if fitting an aftermarket exhaust. If you buy an alloytec - stick with the stock exhaust.

Ecotec is simple by comparison and is more reliable. Service intervals (real world) and cost of servicing go in the Ecotecs favour without a doubt.

Cost of ownership is likely to be higher with the alloytec than Ecotec, despite marginally better fuel economy.

A VY2 would be my pick for a daily driver for reliability, ease of maintenance, model refinement and great resale.
 

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VZ and early VE also have ECU problems that mean the owner can end up needing a complete new unit. AFAIK the VY didn't have the same issue.
 

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Your profile lists a VF Evoke wagon, which I would rate as an ideal firstie. What is the attraction of a decade-old car before this?

I won't explicitly tell you to avoid either the Alloytec or earlier Ecotec, but I will run you through the alternatives.

If you have 2 more years before you purchase your first car, then consider the later SiDi engine cars (the Evoke you presently have??) to see how big the step in refinement is over the earlier generation models. There are many iterations to chose from and a few of the earlier VEs did have timing chain issues, but by 2011 this was fully resolved. It should not bankrupt you to make this leap, but I bet it will impress you (again, the Evoke is a good indicator).

No ECU problems with the VZ I owned for a thoroughly adventurous 9 years. Not subject to Garage Queen treatment (nor mods), but run 'right around the block', on premium unleaded. Don't modify anything to do with electrics or the electronics in the VZ. That will have sequelae for the ECU and BCM (e.g. the immobiliser). Once interference has been caused, it can be impossible to roll back and spurious faults will turn up, particularly those relating to the immobiliser*. The complexity of inter-relative systems is the major block: easy to tap into and make a specific modification, but much harder to reverse it.

Alternatives to the VX, VY and VZ
The big and still enormously popular and very active VE, proceeding the VZ, with a spacious, modern take on the interior, along with the VF (which will not be cheap on the used car market now or in 2 years' time), have loads and loads of refinement for not much more than what you would be paying for a reasonably well kept (and hopefully well-serviced!) VZ. You'll need to keep foremost in mind that pretty much all VEs (from 2009) and the earlier VYs, VZs (2003 onward) will have very high mileage on them, upwards of 200,000km+ and require some serious work at some stage: things like the fuel pump, coolant pump, inlet/outlet casings, shock absorbers, power steering, front springs, radiator, O2 sensor (1) the battery. If you come across a car that has been literally preened, pampered, polished and overhauled by a devoted owner, it's worth looking at. Otherwise, any older car presenting with even the slightest niggle will be a financial liability going forward. Can you afford that?

FYI a few points about the cars after the VZ.
The SiDi engines (VE to current) are impossibly smooth and economical (they have power too!), but a little sooty compared to the clean-burning Alloytecs and the earlier but less-refined Ecotecs, by way of their direct injection, as opposed to multipoint ported injection of the earlier engines. The difference of injection is not a deal-breaker. The VE and later cars do need a good run at freeway/highway speeds to keep the engines clean — and they'll reward you with that, something you will actually feel rather than imagine. Tootles around suburbia or to Confession on Sunday won't cut it.

Alloytec fuel economy
Fuel economy (my own figures) on PULP98 over 9 year period, were stable at between 6.8 and 7.4L/100km (with a touring load for camping). The present VF settles on 3.9 to 4.2L/100km (that is not a typo!)

All cars onward from and including the VZ also have anti-abuse technology controlling the transmission, diff and engine output. Interference with these will defect the car.

About something else. The VZ has ample power to scoot you around, and safetey features too (4 airbags, including those in the sides of the seats). Power should not be your first consideration with your first car: you can certainly have a V6 as a firstie — a very nice, efficient and comfortable V6. Your time with your first car should be learning to drive well, safely and responsibly and avoiding adverse peer influence that could put your driving record, and the safety of other road users, at risk.

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* (source: auto electric specialists responsible for fitting outelectrics and electronics
for CFA, Victoria Police and Ambulance Victoria).
 

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Wow, thank you so much. I would rather buy my own car as the VF Evoke is my Dads, and it will be more profitable if, when the time comes, he sells it to someone out of the family. I don't have room to store a car unless I'm driving it which is why I have got 2 years to make my decision.
 

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No way would I ever buy a family members car. It would never actually feel like my own. Even if the one I eventually buy turns out to be the same colours and specs as the families one.

As for a daily drive though I wouldn’t do anything older then a VE2. (Speaking from experiance the VF Evoke is a perfectly fine model for an inexperienced P-plater)

Engine and driveline parts will be fine for a little while longer. But with Holden gone every Holden owner is more reliant on used parts for things like trims and other critical systems that dont need regular macitence. For a 20 year old model like the Vz will be when you buy it. You may find the parts are either made of expensimodium, or, 3rd party suppliers have changed to using unobtanium.

I was seriously considering an Arcadia when I came to moving on from my Evoke. But again because Holden is gone and it wasn’t a volume model, the same argument applies. Critical parts will be available for a while out of the US. But if something goes wrong and its a RHD specific component, i’d be stuffed.
 

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We won't necessarily be relying on specifically Holden-branded (e.g. ACDelco) or proprietary parts like fuel pumps, injectors, spark plugs, fan belts etc stamped with GM. A huge amount of bits and pieces on the VF series is from Bosch, the ubiquitous ACDelco and German suppliers (e.g. the bee-sting antenna and sat nav base is a German assembly).

I was worried about the VZ reliability after major replacements/repairs in August 2019. I kept it going trouble free with parts supplied in the local Repco-affiliated service workshop (last year, items being the coolant pump, inlet and outlet casings, etc., etc.) as GM spares specifically for the VZ and earlier cars had long been discontinued. Mechanical parts aside, internal trim and fittings of the older cars will be a major irritation going forward. Nothing by way of trim, handles, stalks, radio components, etc. is available prior to the VE series now, except reconditions from wreckers. The VE, VF Evoke and VF SV6, plus variants will be well-catered for into the next few years, 5-10 years at most. People are still sourcing OEM parts for the VE cars, indicating how strong this series was in popularity.

As for a daily drive though I wouldn’t do anything older then a VE2. (Speaking from experiance the VF Evoke is a perfectly fine model for an inexperienced P-plater)

I agree! Victoria Police use the VF Evoke for general duties, then the SV6 wagons and SS sedans and wagons for the highway patrols, all slowly being phased out by shiny turbo-prop Beamers, Hyundais, Toyotas, KIAs, VeeDubs... gone are the days when the Services were strictly the preserve of Holden or Ford. What did Bob Dylan say...? "Times they are a-changin'".
 

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get the vz rattletech and just make sure the chains are done.

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