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W457 blew #5 piston

Discussion in 'VF Holden Commodore (2013 - 2017)' started by lsute12, Oct 14, 2017.

  1. lsute12

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    Hi,

    I recently melted the L77 in my VF SSV, it has a walkinshaw 457 kit on it and #5 went lean, melted the piston, snapped a bit of the ring off and that was bouncing around in the chamber so the head is stuffed now too.

    I think I have about 3 options here:

    - best and most boring case I get the engine out, new piston and ring (hopefully within tolerance still) and new head and I'm on my way

    - second is new crate motor, cam and slap all my go fast bits on it

    - third is get it out, stroke it, and put my go fast bits on it.

    Obviously money is the issue here, I'm thinking about 7-10k as a budget. I'm in SA so if anyone has any ideas out here I'd like to know.

    Thanks in advanced.
     
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    Hi Lsute,

    WOW what an opportunity.

    I would go through some of what Monstar and others have posted and make the best, strongest engine you can.

    Good luck.
     
  3. lsute12

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    Do you have a link for the build?
     
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    Hyperduc Active Member

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    May be check out members, and then the link to what they have posted.
     
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    Being Walkinshaw, they offer factory warranty with their performance upgrades. Are you still under new car warranty (My E3 still is till May next year).

    Good luck
     
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    Why wouldn’t you claim it under warranty through Walkinshaw?
     
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    Yep think this would be covered.

    I doubt it would be a 1 piston head change option, do it properly might be other issues on crank etc to check if it's had a cylinder go is pinging
     
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    How long is the warranty through Walkinshaw? They said they might cover parts depending on whether or not the fault was "mechanical". Haven't figured out the dir ct cause yet but leaning towards an injector.
     
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    Buy an LS1 for under $1k and get a 427 stroker kit. Big cubes of fun for minimal money!
     
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    My understanding is you can't register a newer car with an older engine, I don't think an LS1 would be an option in a VE or VF
     
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    SnowDoggyDogg 2ltr? = Only milk & juice

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    Hmm. I thought was merely an engineering thing to pass emission laws no? I mean the presumption is an older engine wouldn't meet current laws but you can always go e85 to work around that.
     
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    Or buy a cheap ls2 or ls3 and a reconditioned lsa blower from the USA for a supercharged beastie.
    It's a shame ls2 onwards doesn't have the meat in the block to properly stroke out to a 427 like the good old LS1 does.
     
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    Well the reasonable expectation of service is at least the arbitrary period of warranty offered by the (vehicle) manufacturer from time to time, which was five years, now seven. However time is not a factor under Australian Consumer Law.
    Thing is Walkinshaw trades 100% on the assurance that it will match Holden warranty, hence charges an exhorbitant premium for what is otherwise known value components. And a sticker.
    Walkinshaw has sold you an express warranty covering the normal operation of a supercharger in addition to manufacturer’s warranty. Clearly if use was not abnormal then with such a major failure you are entitled to remedy under consumer law.
    It is not up to you to prove which part failed in which manner when, as long as the use was normal.
    Depending on purchase details, like fitted when new through Holden dealer or under finance through credit provider, you may be entitled to a replacement car or refund. Seriously, you should read through the basics here and consult an expert on this matter before forking out on a remedy yourself.
    Needs to be formal and legal, not to the local franchise owner who advised they will give you replacement bits of those supplied... the POS kit blew your otherwise perfectly good Holden motor and now you are up shit creek.
    Dude the only way you can get a GenIII out that far is to re-engineer the crank, crankcase, rods, pistons, remove existing sleeves and replace with something like Darton. It ain coz LS1 has meat vs GenIV, quite the opposite.
     
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    Well sounds like I'll be talking to Walkinshaw/holden. Hopefully mine is covered under the 5 year warranty. I'll make some enquiries next week and let you know how I go.
     
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    Yes please do because if people are paying huge amounts of money for something which is a ruse / doesn’t eventuate, then some action needs to be taken.
    This needs to be public as there have been tens of millions poured into Walkinshaw coffers in good faith so this doesn’t happen to them.
    Don’t fall to your knees with the first line of BS. The thing should not have failed, you paid for express warranty to cover against exactly this type of defect.
    In other words if Walkinshaw doesn’t honour a remedy under ACL then apart from the remedy under ACCC powers above, there is cause for a civil suit (easy nowadays with internet), sueing for refund of the apparently bogus express warranty or the complete mechanical package as compensation for misleading tens of thousands of buyers. People expected the ridiculous premium paid meant they would not be left high and dry after such a major failure.
     
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    I'd be asking WP to please explain why this has happened and what they're going to do to stop it happening again. I wouldn't be considering forking out a red cent. WP are warranty welchers but they've got to honor it so push hard.
     
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    Keen to read your response OP
     
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    What does this mean Monstar? Are you saying my 2013 VF1 is still covered? 4years old but only 50K on the clock.
     
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    It is along the lines of an item having a reasonable expected life, i.e. a $20 t shirt isn't going to have the same reasonable expected life of a $60k motor vehicle.
     
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    In short, yes. A major catastrophic engine failure within 50k km is unexpected, for sure.
     

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