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Wanting people that have converted VS ECOTEC to manual.

Discussion in 'VR - VS Holden Commodore (1993 - 1997)' started by Jonah 101, May 14, 2012.

  1. Jonah 101

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    Hi there.

    Im just reaching the final stages of my conversion. ( working out odd little annoying bits ) I am stating this thread to contact anyone else that has done the conversion to make a guide with all the correct info you need in one thread. I didnt have too much trouble finding the info I needed, but it was a chore digging through thread after thread and gathering the info, then finding out what was bullshit etc.

    Issues I had

    -Exhaust Y pipe does not fit with a T5 gear box fitted. ( use Y pipe off My VP donor car, had to weld on nuts to it for o2 sensors)

    -I read that you have to mirror balance your auto flex plate to your 8 bolt pre ECOTEC fly wheel, this is true. but I also read that the ecotec is internally balanced and the fly wheel must be neutral balanced. I can tell you this is most certainly not true!

    So what else do people have to add about the VS ECOTEC auto to manual conversion?
     
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    hey mate i would be more then interested in this thread as i am about to swap the auto in my ute for a t5 manual the things that have been puzzling me are what does everyone mean about mirro balancing auto flexplate? and do i need to swap the computer for a manual one and get something tuned so it doesnt stall i have no problems with the taking old box out and new box in and all that jazz but like you said the little fiddly things they are the important things i wouldnt mind knowing i can only have my ute off the road for as little time as possible i work 7days a week:)
     
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    Yeh will I managed to get the conversion done in 8 hours, but I didnt do the exhaust or the ECU. I have been popping into the shed every couple of days to tidy things up like for instance. Tonight I have to replace my CV in the drive shaft because it was shaking and clicking -.-

    You can do the conversion without doing the computer, but it will throw up fault codes and the car might stall occasionally when you stop at the lights etc.

    You see what happened was I read on this forum that the fly wheel should be neutral balenced, so me always trying the cheap option first had my uncle machine the counter weight off. the damn car shook its tits off. $180 later and one wasted night.

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    At least my fly wheel is damn light!
     
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    ok so how much is the manual computer for it then and how much does the exhuast get in the way because like you there are a few conversion threads on here that i haev seen but they are somewhat different from each other
     
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    Well I ran my old exhaust for a bit but I had to cut off a mount and it was pushed hard up against the T5 cross member and it hung down too low and found every single bump in the road, so thats no good haha
     
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    lol ohh well nothing a grinder and welder wont fix i am a panel beater so i have alot of tools to my exposal and a hoist:)
     
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    OMG! alright easy. just find an exhaust off a pre VS wreak. VN-VP series II motor ( manifolds different I think lol ) and weld a nut on to the drivers side pipe on the y pipe. Its a weird size, I dont know what it is. Just went through my bolt bucket till I found something, but it is a very strange thread though.

    If you want to reduce vehical down time buy a ecotec flex plate ( plate the torque converter bolts to ) and take that with your fly wheel, pressure plate, clutch disc and fly wheel bolts to be mirror balanced, dont worry if your dont understand they will. Also what I did was change my pedal box the night before because you can still drive the auto with a manual pedal box.

    hope this helps.
     
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    lol thanks mate so far i have got a manualbox brake and clutch pedals flywheel clutch new bellhousing and trim for $500 out of a running car i dont think it comes with the computer and not sure what condition the clutch is in but i know i have to get new bellhousing bolts thats no biggy do you know what else i would need someone said something about tailshaft but i dont know
     
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    yes you need the front half of the drive shaft. you will need a new spigot bush too. If you are getting your stuff from another car try get the zorst too.
     
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    yea the guy i am getting it all from is a bit of a backyard wrecker good bloke he has a few cars there he said he is going to give me everything i need to put it in but the more i read into it the more things i think i need that he didnt mention i will ring him tomorrow with a list and see what i can check off do you have any idea on how much a new clutch is
     
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    No especially with the exchange rate. should be some on e-bay.
     
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    I just remembered, you need the manual starter motor and bolts too.
     
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    ok so i spoke to the guy i am getting the box and that from and he has done a few of these swap overs and he assures me that i dont need to swap or reprogram the computer or memcal he has done about 6 of these and said that he has not had one problem with it if anything he says the car goes better it was only with the getrag boxes that the computer needed to be changed anyway when i do mine i will do a complete how to conversion for the vs series 3 and the t5 box with pictures and everything if i run into problems i will put it in there as well so i should have all the stuff in the next few days and will take a day or 2 to put it in then maby a few days to write the how to so wish me luck guys
     
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    You are going to have issues not running a manual ecu, but its no biggy. What happens is because there is no feed going into the computer from the speed sensor, it thinks you are just revving the car in neutral. So the ECU shuts the IAC valve to try and return the RPM back to 800. usually the revs drop so fast the valve cant open fast enough to save it and the car stalls. mine just surges until I blip the throttle, rarely stalls.

    If your mate has a solution please share it with us.
     
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    yea i told him about some people have had troubles with it stalling after the conversion using auto computer and he said something about adjusting something on the throttle body if that is the case i dont know im not a machanic but ill let you all know how i go anyway lol worst comes to worst i put the manual computer in it
     
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    If you dont want it to stall get the VSS erased off the memcal… Will affect idle a little but not much… Iv got a Ecotec in my VR with a T5 behind it and VS AUTO computer and loom and i have no stalling issues.
     
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    okay, yeh I have read that on the forum as a quick fix, down side is that the revs wont fall very fast when you change gear. Its hard to describe but its like the engine just holds the same rpm. but Sweet sounds like you are good to go. As for my stalling I just dont push the clutch in till the RPM is at 1000.
     
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    Cutting the speed sensor wire like this works the same
     
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    hi mate
    i recently converted my vs to a t5 manual and encountered the same exhaust problem
    turns out the vs t5 has a different extension housing to the earlier models
    there are photos of the differences on a post of mine
     
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    hey jayem just a quick question were are those pics you are talking about?
     

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