Industrial relations at its best...lol.... another Patrick's/Webb dock about to happen.... The MUA has never been the same since ... We one.... we one nothing !!!!. Qantas only pulled this action to bring the goverment into try and stong arm the unions and scare members, This counrty was built with unions and if not for unions you wouldnt enjoy the conditions you have today even your so called negotiated agreements. I'm Blue Collar union man and PROUD of it......
I would of liked to be able to negotiate my own conditions, instead of being bullied into a strike that I didn't want a part of. If my skills are worth more than the next person I should be able negotiate an individual agreement.
Got a superannuation fund??? Highly likely you have shares in them if you do. I don't actually hold any shares in Qantas beyond what may or may not be in my Super fund btw. Been trading other markets outside the ASX for quite some time now - much more predictable and less tied to Europe/USA's stupidity. Reaper[/QUOTE] Yeah I have a super fund. Didn't cut in half over the last 12 months like QANTAS' share price. Was under the impression you had purchased shares. Apologies
From what I understand the crux of this dispute is about Qantas guaranteeing various jobs (which they are reluctant to do). The union is afraid of sending maintenance off shore. Will be interesting to see how this one plays out. Reaper
Looks like the unions are going to bring down another Airline. Shame really. Interesting story, of the 9 client businesses I manage, the 6 who have no union workforce are better paid and more productive than the other 3 who do. I really wish we could have AWA's back...was so much nicer being able to negotiate what I wanted. hmmph. Well done Mr Joyce.
The unions are trying to protect their jobs and keep the company in Australia. This Joyce want's to base the majority of the company in Asia employing foreign labour and any existing jobs remaining in Australia would be on a contract or casual basis. The old saying that we will all be working for a bowl of rice is sounding more true with everyday that passes. Don't back down unions till this Irishman is gone.
Well I guess you would know best, I mean, being in the workforce for so long and all. Sounds like the school indoctrination process is working well for the ALP and unions.
Alan Joyce the ex Hawthorn coach. Plenty of ex Qantas workers working at avalon with 30+ years of experience. On a light side off topic joke. He recently bought his mother a Suzuki Swift. Old model base model, so unions what makes you think he will come to your party .
Unions cut they're own throats. They force employers to look overseas for security. Thereby taking jobs from those who they're "looking after". The only time a union works is when there's almost full employment and no other option, for example subway operators in London are paid a **** load because they can't afford for them to strike.
Not suggesting I know best, not at all. It could well be the case that come 20 years, I'll look back and consider myself a fool. However, at present, I am damn thankful for the Unions.
Hard to do when our labour is so over priced. QANTAS is a public company and as such must take actions to satisfy its shareholders. Employing overseas for cost benefit is one of the key areas to return more money to those who invest. Irish? I think you will find he is an Australian citizen. It is ok though, I know you union types love the name calling. I am surprised the threats of violence haven't started yet, seems like the thugs may be slowly evolving, albeit 200 million years behind most others. Erm, why? Let's start with say baggage handlers. QANTAS baggage handlers are paid much better than any other. Starting rate is 70k p/a. plus penalties and overtime. 5 weeks annual leave, 5 days off each fortnight, double time for 4 hours minimum when called in. The average handler rate last year was 85k. How much more can you pay unskilled labour before you say enough is enough? I hope the gold coated rice you are eating on those wages does not chip your teeth. Seriously, why are union followers so blind to facts. As i mentioned the other day, QANTAS workers, overpaid and over entitled. This country has become the land of entitlement where everyone thinks they should be paid top dollar all their life regardless of the unskilled **** house job they do. It is no wonder companies are taking Labor off shore especially PUBLIC companies. Again, what irishman?
The funny thing is that it is true that alot (majority, not all) of union'less' organisations reward they're staff more and they're employees are better off than those with unions. A good employer knows that job satisfaction is paramount to a strong and successful business. If employees aren't prepared to put in the hard work, they don't get rewarded. Unions are a breeding ground these days for the lazy socialist employees who want maximum return for minimum input. Again, all a generalisation, there are exceptions to the rule. Couldn't agree more.
You just fired the first shot. You are Japan attacking Pearl Harbor...you may last a little while, but in the end, in this argument. mate, your ####ed.
Eh? You have no intelligent response so you type this crap? Come on, defend your union with intelligent conversation...although intelligent and union in one sentence...just does not work...
This is what it comes down to. The unfortunate reality is that companies that cling to the old romantic 100% Australian when they are competing in a global marketplace where 95% of their customers (and potential customers) really don't give a rats rear - their days are numbered. Simple as that. For the domestic Australian market there is an undoubted 100% Australian niche in many industries but to base such a global business on it is just crazy. There have been death threats against most of Qantas senior management over the last week or 2. Not sure how they can outsource baggage handlers overseas but wow - I didn't realize they were on such a good wicket. It'd be interesting to see what some of the skilled and more professional jobs get. Reaper
I work for Qantas and am proud to represent this company globally and wear the uniform unfortunately this current negotiation is very complex and it's not about pay there are other issues all I can say is that this company employs some of the best to operate and maintain aircrafts and as usual the best weather it be service or product comes at a premium
