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Discussion in 'The Pub' started by jessedevery, Jan 6, 2008.

  1. EvoVIIIJDM

    EvoVIIIJDM Got Evo?

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    to be honest i dont think Ricky Ponting would give two hoots about what the media say, publish, televise etc. He is the Captain of the greatest test team of time matching only Waughs team.
     
  2. jules

    jules we like the bun

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    there's different ways of winning. the sydney test was ugly.
     
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    I think some of you are missing the point.

    Ponting and Kumble both agreed at the start of the series that

    a) A players word on low catches would be accepted (Clarke catch).

    b) Any hints of racism would be immediately reported to umpires (Singh incident).

    Anyone taking issue at the Aussie's appealing over suspect wickets (Dravid) haven't watched a Test Match in twenty years. Particularly those held on the subcontinent. Appealing and Over Appealing is what every team does and any wrong decision made is on the umpires, not the spirit in which one certain team plays the game.

    India are taking the issue too far. They deserved to draw the SCG Test without doubt, but they didn't. Man up and come to Perth ready to play, don't sit on a bus for two hours while hissy fits are being thrown in meeting rooms, then cancel tour matches and go to the beach. Remember the Summer schedule was altered to accommodate India, now they are turning down a chance to give Sehwag among others a hit before the WACA Test.

    For those saying Ponting should have left it on the field and not been a 'sook' - How else can an allegation of racism be handled in Cricket? Should Symonds' have belted Singh? The ICC enforces the rules and have made it clear racism will not be tolerated. Ponting did what he is obliged to do. An issue was raised, he reported it, now it's out of his hands.

    Tall poppy syndrome at its worst.

    End Rant.
     
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  4. jules

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    appealing bump-catches is not right. how long before it ends up like soccer? no one wants that.
     
  5. 88GreenVN

    88GreenVN Next Exit Left

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    Very good rant indeed. I second this^^^^..
     
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    drewins swear word

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    I made about 30 mistakes in my last game of tennis. Maybe I should quit tennis?

    Seriously mate if you look at the suspect decisions only 3 of them were definate. All of the others were just decisions that could have gone either way in any given game. Yes the Indians did get 3 calls that definately should have gone the other way and yes this is more than umpires normally get wrong in 1 game but..... THAT IS JUST CRICKET! GET OVER IT!
     
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  7. Full Spectrum

    Full Spectrum Bro it's a VW your Audi!

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    Indians love it when the ump puts the finger up for them.

    I'm sure when 100,000 screaming Indians go off tap and an Overseas player is given out at home curry when he didn't hit it the Indians will take that even if they know he wasn't out they will except it, that's cricket you take the good with the bad.

    And they talk about spirit of the game?, I have only seen an Australian walk after being called not out.

    Real problem is the Indians are trying to be aggressive and talk the talk, But they don't do it very well, To them something that is funny or not offensive might be very offensive to another. And it's visa versa.

    However if i hung over and yelled at one of the Indian players you monkey, I'd be tossed out before a ball was bowled.
    If i hung over and yelled at the Aussie players you dumb such and such out i go again.
    So then why can't what happens on the field be dealt with and accepted the same way.
    You got people being kicked out of the stadiums for nothing all because of this **** that has spilled over from The Indian one day series.
     
  8. Lumps of cheese

    Lumps of cheese welcome to the machine

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    I accept that the umpiring was bad, but would anyone here like to do it?
    These guys literally have split seconds to make the decisions.I mean, we sit back with our stubbies hurling abuse at the tv if a decision is bad, but we have the benifit of slow mo replays that are played over and over.
    If there is a few bad calls here and there then that's just the way it is, i'm sure that this isn't the only test match where a few dodgy calls were made.
     
  9. AttaBoy

    AttaBoy WTF?!?!

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    Why is the the term "monkey" is considered racism?? Or am I missing something here?
     
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    During the one day series there was a crapload in the media about the indian fans taunting Symonds by calling him monkey. While this in itself I cant see as a racist taunt the fact is the whole indian team knew that it was being cracked down on here & any bad behaviour from the crowd will result in a lifetime ban. Singh has no one to blame but himself.
    IMO it is all just sour grapes since they got so close.
     
  11. jules

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    the thing that i'm confused about is that singh and his teammates deny he said it. sachin tendulkar, who's regarded as an all round nice guy, says he didn't say it, as did anil kumble. how do you decide on one person's word against another's?

    i wouldn't be surprised if his suspension is overturned.
     
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    minux Infidel Bear

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    A monkey over there is a slur against a different part of the country from what i understand. To call one a monkey there is very derogatory, much like if i call a chinese fellow a slopehead. It just isn't accepted.

    If his is overturned, then Hoggs has to be. They can't expect to walk away with nothing yet expect hoggy to get suspended. It's PC gone bloody crazy really. I just hope Australia smash the Indians at the next test.
     
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    I have noticed this comment a couple of times. It is not true. Five Australians claimed to hear the "offending" word. Two of the Indian team denied it, but they were 20 metres apart. 5 v 2 is not taking "one" person's word over another.

    Also Roy seems more willing than most to agree re whether he was out or not. Seems a forthright and honest sort of bloke to me.

    My view on the issue:

    1. Based on the standard of umpiring decisions, I am sad that India did not hold out for a draw. That would have been a better result.

    2. We might not think the term "Monkey" to be offensive, but is has a long history as a "racist" taunt. It has been aggressively used in European soccer against players of African descent, implying that they are "inferior" to the European white. Please remember that Roy has a West Indian heritage, and this is what led to the original taunt, "Monkey between kangaroos". It is a racist taunt, and the official policy of the ICC is to take action against any racist attitude on the field. And so they should.

    3. If the BCCI had acted promptly and properly during the recent one day series when these taunts started, then this incident would probably not have occurred. Their inaction could be seen as "official" endorsement of the racist actions of the Indian crowd.

    4. I agree with removing Bucknor from the remaining tests, but there is much less of a case re Benson. He should stay.

    5. My GREATEST CONCERN relates to the action of the BCCI. They obviously do not accept the authority of the ICC over the international game. They have a right to request a review (appeal) of the match umpire's decision and to present a protest to the ICC. However, their action in unilaterally suspending the tour and threatening to cancel it unless the ICC gives in to their dummy spit shows an arrogance way beyond that exhibited by this Australian team. Consideration should be given to suspending India from International Cricket for the foreseeable future unless they retract their threats and apologise.

    Let's get back to the cricket. However, a few ego's might need to be cropped before this will happen.
     
  14. Full Spectrum

    Full Spectrum Bro it's a VW your Audi!

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    Modern technology actually doesn't help them, A error is Highlighted 30 times in 5min.
    To a black man raised in Australia i guess they forgot he might see it in a different light to the way they interpret it over there?.
    Put simply they didnt here him say it or not say it,
    However He said it clearly you don't need to hear the words his lips say it very clearly.
     
  15. Bravotwozero

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    What did Hogg cop? Haven't been following the story.
     
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    Nothing yet but India have put in a complaint and saying Hogg called Kumble a bastard. Actually, they are now saying he called many of the players bastards.
     
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    i know that there is history to use of the term 'monkey' and a justification given for why Singh was given that suspension for using it, but if you take a few steps back and think about it, it's hard to agree that calling someone a monkey is so terrible, while it's OK to call someone else a bastard.

    either you can sledge other players or you can't. i have no trouble seeing why the indians are upset here, the whole issue is a ridiculous mess.

    it's possible that may mean Hogg will get suspended to. somehow i don't see that as the solution.
     
  18. Pub247

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    When you also look at the history behind the term bastard it was previously one of the worst thing you could be or call a person. So imo they are just as bad as each other.
    I think all the cricket players should HTFU and get on with playing cricket
     
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    I wish Australian "sporting legends" would just shut up or die already. I am so sick of hearing these idiots complain about this crap.

    One thing that did slip my mind, Aussies are being called bad sports, was it not Singh who attempted rolls on the ground in front of the members at dismissing ricky ponting? It isn't the first time this sort of celebration has been seen by the curry puffs.
     
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    Thats exactly right, they werent attempted they were completed. That is bad sportsmanship. Fair enough you get a scalp of a top batsman, throw your arm in the air, shout for joy but roll around on the ground, Singh you are a wanker.
     

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