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What's this noise? Lifter tick?

Discussion in 'VE Holden Commodore (2006 - 2013)' started by matt30186, Jan 14, 2017.

  1. matt30186

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    Hi fellas.

    I have a 2012 SSV UTE with 76ks on it.

    Its recently started making a strange ticking noise. Sound is very obvious when your head is down near the wheels and not as obvious when in engine bay. Possibly due to the injector noise being so loud.

    Took it to Holden who advised me to tighten header bolts. Also said it could be lifter tick. I tightened bolts and nothing changed.

    Took it to Wollongong automotive services and they said it's lifter tick. Quoted 3500 for new stock lifters cam etc
    Or 5000 for performance cam intake and tune.

    It has an exhaust on it but I don't know too much about it as it came with the car.

    It hasn't lost any power that I've noticed.

    I've changed oil today to penrite 5w-30 full synthetic. The noise now appears to have changed sides to the drivers side. That's right. CHANGED SIDES. Previous to that it was most obvious on the passenger side.

    It also appears quieter than before the oil change. But is there still. Again, only really obvious when you're r listening down near the wheels. Driver side specifically. At the moment anyway Haha.

    Booked in to an exhaust shop on Monday for pressure test.

    Any ideas? Lifter tick? Standard engine noise? Exhaust manifold leak? I've reached the end of my mechanical knowledge and don't wanna spend 3500-5000 just yet.

    Here are some videos of the noise. First video before oil change. Second video after.



     
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    When i had my VY SS i kept ready about how good Penrite was so i tried with my next oil change. Straight away i had a lifter tick on the drivers side which could be heard through the extractors. When back to recommended oil and almost immediately the tick went away. Not putting **** on Penrite either, i still use Penrite in my VE.
    Try going back to recommended oil before trying anything else.
     
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    It had castrol in it from the dealer, I've put penrite in it for the first time.

    It seems quieter than it was with the castrol

    But again the sound appears to have migrated from the passengers side to the drivers side. Only happens when engine is warm too.
     
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    I take it you don't run flex fuel, and out of factory declared warranty so having been there done that I'm going to call it safe as. Don't panic, those noises are normal with that engine. To be sure I suggest investing in a good OBD dongle like Kiwi 3 and log your oil pressure.
    The cheapest way to eliminate most noise is to run high zinc 10w40 like Penrite 10 Tenths. It most certainly is not a worn cam face / roller issue at those km. Mine started about 140k km and switching to above extended life without worry to 175k km when I chose to overhaul stuff. Same year model same engine I am at 285k km and looking forward to the next 250k km.
    The best way to address the issue is 5w40 and install an oil accumulator, for less than a grand this device ensures pressurised pre-oiling and generally better life through optimal lubrication.
     
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    i'll have to do some googling on oil accumulators.

    I was hesitant changing the oil from spec, the damn oil filler cap even stipulates 5w-30

    you really think a different oil would be my answer? i've just spent $100 on oil today haha.
     
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    I had a noise on one side that sounded something like that. I was convinced it was a lifter. Holden was convinced it was my exhaust magnifying sound. Independent mech found the problem to be a slightly loose spark plug. Ticking noise disappeared immediately.
     
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    Yes it's the heat mate. Plus your hydraulic lifters are not going to explode or turn or seize... just make a bit of a noise when operating with less than optimum fill pressure is all.
    In another 100k km or so you may hear a chirping sound, that's your cue to action.
     
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    excellent. i will check spark plugs.

    did your noise happen cold or hot?

    this noise increases with revs. would that happen with spark plugs?
     
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    chirping like a belt noise kind of?
     
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    Yes, not a little bit, and is quite slow, goes away with rpm / better oil pressure.
    You don't have that.
     
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    im a bit annoyed at wollongong automotive services if its not lifters.

    they said i need to spend 3500 minimum to fix the noise.

    they had one bloke rev the engine while another listened down at the passenger wheel for the noise
     
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    Both hot and cold. Yes ticking increased with revs but could only be heard outside of the car when stationary. I am far from a mech, but my problem was compression loss around the plug which which somehow made the additional ticking noise. It was explained to me in detail but I missed the technicalities.
    Good luck, I hope it's that simple for you....
     
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    I strongly doubt it is the lifters failing, making a noise yes. But that's fricken normal, and symptoms easily remedied with 10w40 10 Tenths.
    Here's the rub: switch oil for ~$120 and if it's still there afterward I'll slip you four bottles of premium wine when I'm next in the Gong. Else you shout lunch.
     
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    banjo that sounds like what im experiencing. you can't hear anything at all while driving it.

    just when i pull up in a drive thru or park the car with windows down, or like i've been doing, stand outside the car while idling listening for every little noise and fart it makes.

    monstar i will try your oil change idea after i check Banjos sparkplugs and get my exhaust pressure tested as i've heard exhaust manifold leaks can make a tick sound as well.

    and i'll go a case of premium beer not wine thanks haha
     
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    These engines are not quiet! And if a lifter starts to go, you will hear it!
    Just make sure you use a decent quality oil.


    Penrite gets mentioned a lot, they produce quality lubricants.
     
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    did you watch the videos? do you think it sounds like lifter noise?

    its a very consistent tick tick tick or tap tap tap in time with the engine
     
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    Yes I watched and listened to the videos, sounds pretty normal to me.
    Sounds similar to my L77 with 67k on it.
    If a lifter fails, or wipe a lobe of the cam, you will definitely hear it!
     
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    @matt30186 PM sent illustrating the difference between your video, which is some typical engine noise, and that of chronic failure involving lifters at the cam face.
     
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    Here's an intro to the oil accumulator I mentioned, which gives total peace of mind.
     
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    A leak in the exhaust manifold can sound like a tick. That was one of the issues with mine. New set of cometics shut a lot of it up.
     

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