Hmm. Lets all ignore all the people who are working in the retail sector, who need people to spend money in the shops to keep their own jobs viable. The same will happen with other industries. I really can't understand how this theory is complicated to some.
there was a similar argument about this on another forum, as someone there pointed out the government gets a large chunk of tax from the pokies and alcohol, (the alco pops springs to mind) so if people choose that way to spend it the government stands to gain anyway! i havent said rudd or johnny was doing better with interest rates im was more referring to the fact that people include rudd and johnny are quick to blame whoever is in power, but both know they cant control it! many are against this payout but the way i see it there is no magic fix to fix the economy. its called a stimulus package to try and help the economy. But it does have some potential to stop what could be a worse recession, what would happen if they did nothing at all? do they sit on the money and wait for a recession and then try?
Well, this post has achieved something at least. It has revealed (I nearly said flushed out) a few members of the forum who support Labor, and that is their prerogative. The current economic climate certainly has people becoming a little bit more politically aware, at least. The old argument about "Labor for the workers" still rings out and Rudd's persistent "working families" statements tend to reinforce that view. I have to admit that I would love to have seen how the Liberals might have handled this current situation, particularly if Costello had been leader. I am totally convinced that Howard failed to recognise his Use-by date had long passed and that was a great pity. If he had taken the hint and left two years earlier, what might have been now?
So based on that logic, they give money out and collect it back again, what is the point? and as I said earlier:
i'm in the AWU, great organisation, great support, was even in their end of year function . But really, now after seeing BOTH sides play the blame game, i'm really not happy with either anymore, and no... just no, i will not vote for the greens, too 'tree happy'. I dunno who to vote for anymore, both labor and liberal are the same shade of grey now days. and my previous comment was based on why i voted for labor a year ago. but- did you really think the libs would increase the pension? they wouldnt've even thought about it if they were in power. LIBERAL- focus on the rich, tax the poor LABOR- spend a tonne of money on the people, then go broke, for the libs to clean up after
Everyone just wanted a change, I knew along with Minux and everyone else old enough to rememeber what happens when a Labour type policy gets in charge of this country. We all knew we would be on the way to going bankrupt, see it happen before. But everyone needs to learn a lesson. I promise you the current generation wont make the same mistake twice . I'm sure the Howard goverment would have been more capable with dealing with the current world situation and I really would have prefered to have someone with a little bit more inbuilt scrooge in charge right now. Fast forward a few years and if the liberals can find another set of genius players (hopefuly) maybe Dr Hewson can make a comeback (the only reason he wasn't a success is because the average Australia just couldn't understand him) they will spend the next 10-15 years fixing it only to be voted out again when the next generation want a change to something better (that's unobtainable)
Regardless of who in this forum supported who in the election, at the end of the day more of the overall population of Australia caused Labour to win instead of the libs
If you seriously believe that Pauline Hanson had decent policies then I'm glad you don't vote. Reaper
Which was precisely the reason I posted this thread in the first place, asking if so many voted Labor, how come so few seemed to support them in this forum?
I think Commodore owners are generally pretty scroogy with their money . That's why they buy cars that are sensible to own and easy and cheap to fix
Tax the poor? I pay more income tax than most low income earners...how are the poor being taxed? Would love to see proof that low income earners are taxed heavier than high income earners... As reaper said, thankfully you do not vote.
If the Liberal party tax the poor then how is it that I pay nearly 1/2 of what I earn in income tax when the low income earners pay 1/4 or less??? I pay more on both a proportion of my income and in raw dollar terms. Reaper
I was a labor voter once, but I think the real issue is that most young people really don't understand politics full stop. They don't understand Labor and Liberal backgrounds, philosophies, the Left and the Right as they say in the news (hey I just thaught it was a turn signal or something) and just vote for who ever sounds the best at each election. I have only really figured it out in the last couple of yeas as I have had more interest on how the country is run (I am now 31). I will now be voting liberal at every election based on what Rudd has done in one year, internet censership, the handouts and various other things have shown me that they want to "help" me far too much. I can see though that there is a need for a body eg a union or something similar to guard against rights abuses at work. If every liberal supporter thinks that all bosses are fair, they are misguided, there are some that just don't care and will do various borderline illegal things to get what they want. There needs to be a balance of emplorer rights vs emploee rights, thats the hard part to get right.
once you spend it a)- it gets taxed and some goes back to the government b)- the money you spent gets used to buy more stock or pay someones wages. ok so what do you think the retailers do with all the money they have now got from everyone buying plasmas,blu rays, sock and jocks? yes some will go out of the country, nothing you can do about that, but they also have to pay wages etc and will stay here. this is hard to put in writing but ill try and explain best i can you just spent your money at a tv retailer, tax is taken and goes back to government some is spent on wages the salesman gets a wage and spends it on food etc, theres more people and more jobs needed so they will get some of your money, some on buying more tvs which will keep whoever made the tvs in a job (possibly overseas) but also the freight companies who deliver the next order of tvs back to the store in a job the freight companies need fuel so theres more money spent and more jobs needed the trucks need servicing, more jobs and money the trucks need tyres again more jobs and money the drivers need food to live so more money and jobs again as for the blurays, socks and jocks, the same process all over again each person will pass some of it on in some way or another
If you dont like what your boss has to offer. Leave. How hard is that? No one can change an arsehole of a boss whether there is a union or not. The best way to get back at a bad boss is pack up and leave, Watch where the business goes. I have seen first hand evidence of where it goes when a small company I worked for went bust when he refused to look after 4-5 of his better workers which were propping up the business side of the business. He though wanker operations people could do it all...clearly he was wrong and now owns nothing as the banks took it all.
No, most unions are useless, but then again so are the managers of most company's that have trouble with them, so i guess fair's fair.
