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Discussion in 'VR - VS Holden Commodore (1993 - 1997)' started by Callum433, Apr 28, 2019.

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    Yeah, that's good. Kind of why I said an AU would be a good hack because it's coilover by design (and cheeep) even though it's solid axle. You might have missed the part in one of my posts where I said you'll need to consider the size of the VE shock absorber (I edit my posts a lot straight after I post). The main problem is that there really aren't any good coilovers that fit the VR/VS strut towers, and the Showtime S13 conversion won't work for VR/VS. I think it would be worth your while looking at other subframes that have good aftermarket support for arms, diff, and suspension, something like a JZX or an RX8 or the ubiquitous Nissan stuff.
     
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    Ah yes sorry I went back and read it, I see what you mean and I lacked explanation lol. I would more than likely be making a different top mount altogether and mount in some good aftermarket double eyelet end coil overs (like the ones you see in 4 link stuff) but this is all very up in the air given the new info I have about doing a be conversion in the first place haha
     
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    I've often thought of upgrading the entire suspension of a classic Holden by swapping the entire floor pan from a late Commie. I've never gone into the mathematics such as track, body width etc, but if someone was determined enough to put a VE rear end into an earlier model, full or partial floor pan swap might be the answer.
     
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    Just a little offshoot to do with the AU....The series 111 had IRS...(It may have been the series 11 that had it...Can't exactly remember which one had it as an option.....) And from memory, it was similiar to the VE, with the IRS set up too, with very minimal rear camber adjustment
     
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    If that's true vc then it might just be a good platform after all. I wouldn't be keeping the motor trans wiring and ecu but could definitely be a good chassis
     
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    VC is right. The AU premium models had a locally designed IRS which didn't carry over to the BF because of complexity, weight and cost and the corporate availability of the "control blade" IRS which was simpler, lighter and cheaper. AU's aren't worth a bumper these days so if you can find one with IRS, it might be worth considering.
     
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    does anyone know the track width of the au irs? going to au id loose the aftermarket lock kits and many goodies available for the commodore. wonder how hard it would be to put an au irs cradle into a vr/vs commo? anyone know how strong there irs diffs and axles are? i guess a commodore forum isnt really the best place to ask haha
     
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    If you've never drifted before just in general terms, buy something cheap, easy to get parts for and with a lot of aftermarket availability. Head out to a Vicdrift practice day and get a feel for what people are doing, when you're learning its not if, but when you crash so having a car with lots of one of parts is just burning money to start off with. There's a fair few people drifting commodores these days and quite successfully with unmodified rear ends bar shocks spool etc.

    That said though after drifting my mates R33 at Calders 'Drift Skills' a couple of weeks back and then getting back in my Maloo to drive home, Id much rather be in the more nimble and lighter R33 to throw around, despite only having half the power of my Maloo. Depends what you want and how seriously you want to take it, I've just about finished putting together my drift car a C33 Nissan Laurel, its a bit unique but basically a mongrel between a R32 and a S13 so parts availability apart from body panels is great. But there's all the other things you need too, cage, seats, harnesses, I wouldn't drive on the track without a 6 point cage personally, although a lot do and you will need at least a half cage minimum. There's a few grand in there if you want to do it properly.
     
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    Yeah, the AU IRS was apparently super good, classic double wishbone design. Unfortunately it's not particularly common (S3 had live axle too I believe) and it's not easy to tell which ones have it by trim. Big advantage for stuff like the VE and Nissan rear ends though is you can put aftermarket arms with turnbuckles in.

    ^This. You don't need anything flash or a repertoire of expensive parts to do it well, just something that has the basics well set up. If you're using speed properly just about any stock car will have sufficient lock.

    Pics please. :)
     
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    Yeah I've been doing plenty of reading about it. Basically if you want a set find an au xr6 vct as they were all irs. Yeah the IRS in them looks wicked and as for aftermarket it wouldn't be too hard to take the arms off and get custom ones made up as the design is basic but works awesome.
     
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    The only way I can tell the AU with IRS, is by looking underneath....So it does make it difficult to tell, without physcially looking

    Another option in the Ford range, would be the BA through to FGX.....The whole front and rear suspensions are identical in design....These rear suspension are similar to the VE, whereas The AU wasn't....So my apologises to everyone for making a mistake about the AU rear suspension design.....

    I do know, the BA had issues with the diff centres whining after minimal kays, when they were new.....Plenty were replaced under warranty at the time....I believe it was the turbo and V8 models that had the issues...
     
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    Au isn't exactly the same no but it's still double wish bone and from reading other forums it's just as good if not better than the later ba onwards blade design or whatever it is. From what I can see it would be a much simpler task doing the au rather than later model version

    As I said earlier if you get the xr6 vct series 1 and 11 all had it's standard not optioned or so I am told.
     
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    For RJK, this is what it looked like a few years (and owners) ago. been bent a few times since, but will be back looking fairly good soon. May put up a mini build thread when its done. Sorry to hijack.
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    no apology needed man that thing looks siiiik haha if laurels were more available id get one
     
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    AU IRS was Fairlane, LTD, Fairmont Ghia, XR8 and XR6 (with variable cam engine). However, you could get any options from Ford factory. I have seen for example, a farmer who got a Fairlane with live axle - reckoned it was better for towing.
     
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    Ah true I didn't know you could option out that sort of stuff haha. Still gotta find the track width for the au irs.
     
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    Actually FG front suspension is virtual pivot - an improvement over BA/BF.
    And yes, the diffs were a problem - I think Ford didn't fix it until about FG series II. The model to avoid is the G6E turbo, which had the same diff as a taxi.
     
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    i guess sticking with au stuff is definitely a good idea then given all the "updated" rear ends had diff problems and bush problems has come up a few times too. plus its a much simpler design and easier to make mounts for. probably not a bad mod for commo utes to put extra weight in the rear for grip and handling.
     
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    so on further digging the au irs has a track width of 1547mm compared to a vr/vs's 1491. thats only 56mm difference or 25ish on each side. that is definitely more acceptable, not to mention that on further reading its very easy to swap the au irs into other au's and even earlier e series fords as they have the same basic mounting point as the live axle setups and only needed additional tabs and such welded in. given enough research and design this could be a very easy swap or to make something you could buy as a kit. with the killer ford irs in the rear and sfc adjustable goodies in front this would definitely make one hell of a weapon!
     
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    There is an episode of West Coast Customs where they put a 1968 GTO Pontiac body on a 2006 GTO Pontiac/VX Commodore Monaro. It was a bloody big job where they used the Commy floorpan, dash, interior and engine bay. Then grafted on old GTO side panels and roof and a lot of work in between.
     
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