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Why I would not buy a GM product again

Discussion in 'VF Holden Commodore (2013 - 2017)' started by Ron Burgundy, Oct 7, 2019.

  1. immortality

    immortality Home of the smoky breakfast Bacon! Staff Member

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    A poorly designed car, no matter how well it is assembled will fail. Toyota's and Honda's seem to fall into the well designed and assembled category. Not sure where the last of the Commodores fall but with something like the LS3 which has been around for something like a decade there should be no reason for a single one to fail as all the issues should have been fixed but if anything the opposite is true.
     
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    greenacc Searching for the billion

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    The problem with the latter GM stuff is the budget it's designed down to and the standard it's built to. If you take your GM V8 into a decent engine shop and Ask them to rebuild it how it should be it'll be an absolute screamer. ( Piston slap etc, what a joke in a modern engine ) But going through the dealership stall tactics bullshit is a bloody joke and gives the product a terrible name.
    Yet another reason a buy second hand Holden's. That way I can do whatever I want with them and only deal with dealers if their parts are cheaper and better than after market.
     
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    Calaber Nil Bastardo Carborundum

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    I think the problems GM is having at home have to be reflected in product quality. Factory shutdowns, model rationalisation, 21 day employee strikes... Hardly the stuff of a buoyant, healthy company. This has to rub off on the production line.

    Which makes me wonder about the quality of the last VF's. How did the employees feel about their futures as they could count down their remaining employment time one car at a time? Did they apply themselves to their job, determined to build the cars as good as they could be? Or did they feel resentful that no-names in the States had killed off their livelihood and let this affect their attitude towards quality?
     
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    The Holden assembly plant had the highest quality cars out of any other GM plant in 2017.
     
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    Ron Burgundy Well-Known Member

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    Measured how ?
     
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    Trevor loves holden. Active Member

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    That's the Ron we know!!

    Got to love alloytec, I stick with my trusty VS, might get a vx or vt and keep away from all the more advance technology. New cars look good but to much electronic stuff that can fail.
     
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    Calaber Nil Bastardo Carborundum

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    In light of the company's poor quality reputation, does that really mean much?
     
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    Regarding the piston slap issue, is there any medium to long term (say to 160k kms) major problems that will develop from it?

    Beside just sounding like shite...

    This reminds me of my infamous N54 on my BMW, had wastge rattle from the turbos from 80k km (shitty oem desgin, bought at 55k km), and I just lived with it till about 125k which the seals began leaking (and was drinking oil 1l every 2k km), got some 2nd hand ones fitted (labour wad over $2k...), those ones rattled like a mofu as well, but stopped the oil consumption issue.

    Just kept it as it is, until the DME (ECU) decided to go belly up and scrap that Break My Wallet afterwards.

    As for I won't buy another GM product, because they don't have any cars I want right now... boring sedans or SUVs... yuck.
     
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    oooh yeah... as the national fleet manager at work
    NO vehicle has zero defects, they all will require TLC

    lets start with the CEOs Porsche.. well actually lets not.
    and
    then there is Fiat Chrysler. So with starting Chapter 1-
    colleague (against my advice) buys new SRT Jeep
    .. picks it up from dealer, gets home CANNOT turn it off
    car idles in driveway until their free road assist arrives... 5 hours later
    spends an hour and thankfully engine stops
    2 weeks starts car, heads off to work but nope.. never makes it.
    2 main engine bay harnesses melt (thankfully no fire).. car stops
    SRT spends 9 weeks in dealership being fixed. Then 2 days after
    getting it back, gearbox loses all drive (embarassing in middle of Eastlink)
    and stops DEAD. Eastlink guys find they cannot tow it either. it needs
    wheel dollies to go on flattop, car spends 11 weeks at dealership (no parts)
    then they find paint bubbles erupting around some of the glass openings...
    VCAT gave my friend their $ back .. plus some for her troubles

    BMW... I like, so does my missus in she drives a 1 Series M Coupe
    but they have rear IRS issues (seizing), brakes wear quickly (rear pads
    replaced at 18,000 and front about to be done... at 25,000) but they
    want both your kidneys for pads. We are STILL arguing with BMW Aust
    about an alternator, which when you turn the vehicle off, sings and whistles
    to itself for up to 2 hours (and its not dixie). They state nothing wrong.. but
    battery state requires nightly charging. Maybe they don't want to replace an
    $800 computer controlled alternator. lets NOT go near the sports exhaust
    issues.

    Utes? we used to have all Mazda (since Holden stopped selling Rodeos)
    but .. all gone (do not buy a Mazda commercial vehicle, all had problems)
    We now have 5 small toyota HiLex flat tray utes... zero problems in 3 years
    Well.. it is a Toyota

    AUDI.. no major car problems to date but geezus ..are their services expensive?

    Fords..? EVERY one of them had a transmission die (XR6, Territory, one tonne.. all)
    so the sale fleet is now 100% Holden (mainly VF and some ZB)
    I could keep going... :)
     
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    And ....

    What issues are you having with the vf,s

    And secondly the zb, s both issues and also fuel economy v6 or 4,s?
     
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    BTW Holden does have the Colorado......

    Oh this makes my VF with a noisy warm up and a lose seat which is getting fixed soon a pretty damn good car with 42k on the clock. :)
     
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    Corvette is now on the Holden website. What a beast!
     
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    I was told recently that getting into a Ford Ranga after driving a new Colorado makes the new Colorado seem more like a 20yo Colorado.

    But … not having a Holden badge on the back?
    Sticking with Chevrolet, which in times gone by was certainly way underneath Holden in the quality-perception GM pecking-order?
    This says nothing against the Corvette, more about how Holden (or GM?) views their future, IMHO.
     
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    After a lifetime of Commodores VC/VN/VR/VE I will not buy again... reason the VE was so American in quality, what I mean is my brother bought a jeep(example only realise not holden) once and the yanks where so cheap they put in short seat belts literally had to suck it up to put on a seat beat... fast forward to the VE and the door trim is so cheap it has like 3 mm wrap around the handle so it looks the part but after awhile it wants to peel off... and that is just the tip of the cheap tactics... The Ceiling glue is design to just fall apart so the interior is coming down... No other version was like this hell I see VC commodores with all their interior in tact.
     
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    ^ Sorry, but I disagree, no Commodore has ever had a high quality interior & the VE wasn't the worst.
    VR's & VS's are known for the interior roof-lining falling on occupants' heads you've mentioned (happened to us). Our VS had a cheaper/nastier interior than the VE did, for sure. I remember thinking "WTF?" when the VR was first released with these amorphous plastic blobs attached to the VP door-trims in a no-budget-available attempt to make the doors appear like they wrapped into the dash like Japanese & European cars had been doing.

    And those early cars up to VK, where if you bought a red car you got a red interior … if you bought a blue car you got a blue interior … worse, if you bought an SLE you got a velour interior just like the tracksuit your mum hadn't thrown away from the 70's. I remember cleaning up my grandad's VK Exec in the early 90's and being a bit surprised at how archaic the interior was, it was similar to my RWD Corolla wagon at the time, and apart from the plastic very-fake-wood in my mum's 1977 Cressida I'd have said the Cressida looked of the same vintage as the VK.
    People liked VL's for the engine (particularly the turbo), not for the interior or the build-quality! :)

    No, those old Holdens were loved partially because you could keep one going with a sock & same chewing-gum. And I personally believe also because of Handlingberger; at least compared to anything at a similar price. I doubt very much if the Holden:Ford fan-ratio would've been the 10:1 that it was if the Holden engineers hadn't put more effort than their Ford counterparts into how the cars felt to drive (even stuff like the gearing on the VN's accelerator pedal meaning 30% foot-movement opened the throttle 80% - felt like you were driving a rocket, barely put your foot down & it took off!).
     
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    sounds about right because the colorado is a pretty boring product and not very comfortable to drive for long periods.
    the suspension is junk in them and they have a pretty bad throttle lag so you need to spend a few bucks sorting those issues but they do go ok offroad.
     
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    I prefer the colorado look over the latest hilux. also the hilux while mechanically sound, rides higher and has a smaller cabin. ranger is feature rich, amarok is feature anemic but has amazing size and good powerplant. 80 series is another mortgage, bt50 and trition are great bang for buck. navara has issues but is comfortable and holds its price almost as well as toyota. durrcedes benz lol.
     
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    Isn’t the Benz a Navara with a better engine?
    Is it that much more exxy?
     
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    Typically measured in the back end with key metrics such as claims per 100 vehicles. Interesting stuff when you look at it. As an example early CG series 2 Captivas were up around 70-75 claims per 100 vehicles, around 2016 the newer models were down around 30 claims per 100 vehicles (fairly comparable to VF1 at the time).
     
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    I came back from a 1750km road trip in one recently around Victoria and while it is not a VF SS, it is a good truck to cruise around in.
     
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