To me owning a Holden or Ford used to be about your heritage. Back when I was at school you were either a Holden man or Ford man, you even had the jackets to prove it and often this was based on the preferences of your parents, myself hating Fords but loving Holden's. There was the few Chrysler blokes but they were few and far between and they dropped off even more once the Chrysler's pulled out of their two Adelaide factories. And if you drove a Jap car it was nearly always called Jap Crap. When I think back when the Commodore was introduced some of the folk sort of lost the nostalgia of what was really known back then as the true Holden's, those being the H Series and it's predecessors plus some of the Torana's. I remember that it took a while for people in my circles to warm to the Commodore, some used to even say Commodores were not true Holden's. I guess the difference now is that the ZB is so far removed from an old Holden or even late Commodore it's not funny. I wonder if they would have done better to have at least kept the ZB range as RWD, instead of playing follow the leader.