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Discussion in 'ZB Holden Commodore (2018)' started by .05, Mar 5, 2018.

  1. DanielSS-V

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    I've also see a few Subaru Liberty's.
     
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    Same in Qld.
     
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    I emailed the Sales Manager at the Dealer where I bought my Redline and Motorsport last year and asked him to notify me when a VXR was on the floor and I would have a look as I am considering a new work vehicle. I have heard nothing and found out the VXR's are "in transit:" They don't have them to sell them.
     
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    My local dealer has a VXR out the front, had a look at it last Sunday. Very plain, when I first pulled up didn’t realise what it was until I got up next to it. Doesn’t really shout performance model imo.
     
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    In 1948 Holden sales would only refer to the "Holden" car as a model, GM-H built / assembled quite a few other car lines at that time too so the overall sales for GM in Australia at the time would probably have been a bit higher. (Vauxhaul/Chev/Pontiac/ and a few others would need to be included).
     
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    Now you know what US buyers always thought/felt about G8 & SS ... :)
     
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    I saw my first ZB in the road today. Sydney CBD.

    Every commodore released in the last 15 years has always looked better in the flesh that the photos.

    The ZB looks worse. The photos make it look reasonable. In the flesh, its horrible.

    I don’t care how much tech it has inside. She looks nothing like a Commodore
     
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    But Americans are notoriously two-dimensional and most of them probably never looked much deeper into the cars to see they were actually exciting machines. The ZB doesn't get any more exciting the more you look into it... that's the difference.
     
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    GM NA didn't advertise the Chev SS. They imported a mere 3000 a year, assuming that the congiscenti would find them.
     
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    If you don't count the massive promotion via NASCAR.
     
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    From that link ….. "So it's hoped Kristian Aquilina, Holden NZ's managing director of three years, and marketing manager Marnie Samphier can sell the sizzle to u-turn the big Aussie machine."

    What are they referring to ? The car ? The Holden company ? I wish them luck with their future endeavours.
     
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    Holden Commodore hatchback just parked across the road.

    Twin exhaust? thin tyres.

    So would that be the AWD 6 cylinder?
     
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    Personally I think have tried to go with the market.....Over the last 15 years or so, the market has lent towards the FWD, AWD/4WD market....Just look at the top ten sales leaders and you may understand...(I'll leave the google experts do that)...

    Yes, they may have failed with their execution in areas, but they have tried and now they are getting hammered with trying to go with the mid range FWD drive market, which the country is leaning towards.

    Only time will tell if they turn their fortunes around
     
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    Years ago people towed vans with Fords and Holdens now if you stay in a caravan park almost everyone is towing with some sort of 4WD be it dual cab or wagon.
     
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    If we're comparing to years ago ...
    (*) an LS3 VF2 uses less fuel than an HR
    (*) a new Corolla (chosen as en example of generic mediocrity) has as much room as an HR
    (*) a new Corolla will smash the fastest HR in every performance measurement
    (*) there are currently something like 5x as many models available on the market as in the HR's era
    (*) Commodore was still the ... I think it was 4th-highest seller in this country, when production stopped; if I remember correctly it was #2 when the announcement of closure was made (may even have been #1 when the decision was made)

    It's not about vehicle choices by buyers so much ... as it is about global manufacturing scales & economics. :) (or rather, :()
     
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    And corollas tow how many caravans?
     
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    And caravan-towing buyers make up which percentage of the market which, if they'd bought Commodores, would've allowed enough vehicles to be made in Australia to make a plant economically viable?

    FWD vehicles, regardless of size, were never going to cut it for towing.
    I'll bet the rating for the ZB isn't anywhere near VF, including the AWD version?
     
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