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Has the Government sent police, escorted by ADF personnel to door knock the McMansions of the wealthy in Point Piper to make sure they are complying?
No need to send in poilice, Scotty can ask them during their dinners together :p
 

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Tell that to the million plus average Australians in harsh lockdown for 2 months, possibly longer.
The true reality is....only the peasants are in lockdown.

Has the Government sent police, escorted by ADF personnel to door knock the McMansions of the wealthy in Point Piper to make sure they are complying?

You must be fun at parties
 

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Defense members quarantined for 14 days, see? They did the right thing. If the whole of greater Sydney was locked down at the start for 5-7 days, they wouldn't be in this situation now. The numpty that went to Tasmania without a G2G pass would not have been allowed to go, the two removalists that went into regional NSW would not have been allowed to go. See where I'm going? Immediate short term lockdowns work. Coupled with contact tracing and testing, it's the only way to avoid mass infection rates. Vaccination rates are too slow to be able to rely on herd immunity yet. I really believe that people have become too complacent in Australia.
 

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Complacency is definitely a problem in Australia, because not much tends to go wrong here that interferes with our way of life other than bushfires. Combined with that, Australia has genuinely become a nanny state. So one question is love the answer to is what will happen if and when the vaccination rate hits the 80% target? My bet is we will still have lockdowns because the government will be too scared of the reality that everyone will have a dose of Covid sooner or later. It's going to happen. So the leadership we need right now is a leader who is brave enough to make some big calls and let people live their lives again at some stage in the very near future.
I don't think we currently have such leadership in any level of government.
Interesting point, Israel has one of the highest vaccination rates and are going through a huge wave of Covid cases and considering further lockdowns. That's why I'm not interested in Phizer. AZ seems to offer longer lasting immunity to covid, you just have to get past the first month...!
 

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For a Sydney lockdown there's alot of cars still on the road

https://www.livetraffic.com/traffic-cameras

Must be alot of essential workers out there

I also needed to buy some groceries today, the carpark was packed, and it seemed that families and couples shopping together is still a thing

The majority of people had masks on, whether they had them covering their mouth, and nose, was hit and miss

Also, whilst I was checking in I was passed by quite a few people who just walked straight in

No wonder we have so many "unknown" sources

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AZ seems to offer longer lasting immunity to covid, you just have to get past the first month...!
From memory, the Aussie road toll runs at 4.8 deaths per 100,000 people.

Not making it past the first month of AZ is much less riskier than not making it past your P’s :p:p:p but that doesn’t seem to register for many :rolleyes:
 

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So one question is love the answer to is what will happen if and when the vaccination rate hits the 80% target?
With 80% of the Australian population vaccinated, that means we have 5,000,000 people unvaccinated (more if the measure is 80% of the eligible population).

Being that the vaccinated can still carry the virus, the result would be heard immunity doesn’t effectively exist. But people will be out and about and behave in carefree ways, as if it’s all ok, cause that’s what they’ve been told…

But if we then apply the US death rate of 600k over 350M people to the 5M unvaccinated Australians, we’d see 600,000*5/350 or 8,571 deaths per year without any intervention… unless we have 100% vaccination…

Does anyone thing 8,571 avoidable deaths are acceptable? Does anyone think action to limit viral spread won’t be required post vaccination phase?

Pity our leaders are just interested in quick sound bytes and re-election and thus don’t want to present things as they are to an adult population. We’re all adults and can decide our destiny and the approach we as a society choose to adopt (but for out leaders).

Sadly, many can’t think clearly which is a byproduct of our education system. But we should still put such choices in the hands of the population via a referendum.

Me, I’d have expected NSW should have gone into really hard lockdown, real lockdown with closed businesses, curfews and rings of steel. This should have occurred early on and accompanied by other states shutting NSW out until they were clean.

The strategy should have been a realistic vaccine rollout timeframe that would allow 100% of the population to be vaccinated with enough stock to provide them a choice of vaccines (as choice of one isn’t a choice). Then I’d have added 50% to the time frame for the expected stragglers and that extended date defines the hugely publicised open up date… And if 10M Aussies don’t take the vaccine cause they are antivaxers, that’s ok cause they are adults and they had ample opportunity. Soon enough there will be less antivaxers to worry about - it’s natural selection at work:p

But we have mixed messages and Gladys, the idiot in charge, just confuses everyone without providing information to bring the population along with here chosen ideological journey..

Whatever the case, I don’t believe this pandemic is being handled correctly but all I can do is take the vaccine. I’m covered so I shouldn‘t die from any stray infection, though who knows what new variant may come into being and how this new variants may behave :oops:

So, are we going to open up without future lockdowns…. recognise bullshite and don't swallow is my suggestion :eek:
 

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22 minute video which explains the message behind many of my own political postings, but does a better job :)
It's not just China we have to be concerned about.
Western democracies have been morphing into a mini-me totalitarian structure for 2 decades now, yeah it's happened that quickly, so quickly, with so many distractions, we can't keep up because there is too much internal conflict in our consciousness.

I'm posting the vid here because this virus pandemic and lockdowns are being used to generate fear, restrict personal freedoms and to isolate people. In every nation on the planet.

It's not just bad luck this virus is occurring at this moment in time. It's the perfect tool, and I don't think it's just bad luck that a new Delta variant is now moving through societies, younger people were becoming complacent, they now have something to fear...
The threat and/or use of biological warfare has been discussed by nation states all over the globe for years..

 
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