JC Political Thread - For All Things Political Part 2

[Immortality]

Unfortunately incompetence also gets promoted. **** floats (sometimes)

the fuckwits at my old company were a great example. This explains my old management.

I like small business where the boss knows his staff by name and can do the same work without thinking twice.

Medium to large business is full of people who are only there protecting/justifying their own jobs, commonly known as middle management,

 

[chrisp]

You have people that started down the bottom of the food chain and worked their way up in the "top %"....

I believe that is a falsity perpetual by the financial elite - “work hard and you too can be successful”. It’s largely bullshit in reality. There are lots of people who work very hard all their lives and will not be ‘financially successful’.

Yes, there are the odd person who ‘worked their way in the top %’, but most ‘successful people’ are born in to that lifestyle.

 

[Immortality]

^^^ either that or doing a lot of brown nosing. Been a "yes" man always help get oneself promoted.

My issue is I say it the way I see it which was great when I was helping them out of a sticky situation but a career ender at any other time. Once I went so far as to tell the GM he was ******* incompetent, in writing during covid. That did not go down well but on the other hand it achieved the goal I had set (forcing management to communicate properly with all the staff). It probably cost me a few thousand dollars in lost wages after my redundancy and plenty of time been screwed over by management during lockdowns but many other staff benefited from it.

I really can't stand incompetence.

 

[Skydrol]

I thing the honest tax burden needs to be paid and things like family trusts and other routes should be outlawed.

I know a guy who runs his own company and has multiple offices in multiple countries employing about 300 or so people yet pays SFA tax.

In fact his business actually gets R&D grants from the government, employs foreigners and he’s personally on a health care card because of the way he’s arranged his affairs yet conservative enough to drive a $180k car and swap every few years for something new… And His wife and his kids probably all found themselves on the books and got job keeper during Covid years. He’s a millionaire. He’s the master of the tax big rort. He probably still thinks he’s paying too much tax.

I think if family trusts, negative gearing and the other tax rorts (especially the international tax rorts used to negate the majority of tax on our minerals) were removed and a more honest amount of tax actually paid each year, more could be spent on essential things that society needs to keep things equitable.

Heck the following 2013 quote defines the inequity rather well:

Warren Buffett says even though he and other top earners are paying higher taxes this year, he thinks he's still paying a lower rate than his secretary.​

Sadly we have followed the US model where divisiveness and an ever growing gap between the haves and have nots has become the norm So let’s give those on $180k a tax cut and our elderly on government pensions* whose rates, water, gas, electricity, insurance and food costs have gone up between 15% to 30% over the last two years…

And now the cry is that that tax burden needs to move back to the lower/middle class as being the solution?

In a world of ever increasing automation and AI taking even more jobs with ever increasing unemployment, where a large part of the population base can’t be reskilled for the specialist jobs that would be required in this brave new world, let’s tax those few who have jobs even more… why not also get rid of unemployment payments?

Odd and rather sad that as global production has become more efficient, the sharing those efficiency gains has eluded more working class.

Sadly rules are made by the elite for the elite.
Guess Mel Brooks said it best:

* many of our elderly are on government pensions because when they worked mandatory superannuation wasn’t a thing and many migrants were simply not aware of the benefit of such investments for their retirement. But the common societal attitude now is fcukem cause they should have done better and they got the biggest benefit increase in decades so what have they got to complain about… yet these old pensioners often have to decide between heating their home or eating… We use to be a country that cared for our elderly citizens but now we seem to abuse them… so tax cuts for the rather well paid is the chant

The filthy rich get away from paying taxrs because loopholes are written in the codes. Is about income and owership, does not say anything about controling an asset, or even getting an allowance (non taxable). Also, they get paid in stocks/shares, not directly on USDs like all workers do.

It is all legal, is in the tax codes.

The tax burden is shifted to the business, not only they get to write off all sort of discounts, their accounts are in off-shore banks.

 

[vc commodore]

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I believe that is a falsity perpetual by the financial elite - “work hard and you too can be successful”. It’s largely bullshit in reality. There are lots of people who work very hard all their lives and will not be ‘financially successful’.

Yes, there are the odd person who ‘worked their way in the top %’, but most ‘successful people’ are born in to that lifestyle.

Whilst I haven't worked for a large corporation, I have worked to get where I am.....I'll also add in, the extra cash doesn't cover the extra headfcuks associated with the position.

I also have mates that work for large corporations....Some are in management positions, but it hasn't been handed to them on a silver platter, nor is their nose brown....

I have worked with brown noses and born into management position people (ie family members), but they soon find out, I don't care about their antics....

Whinge all they like, haul me into the office so the owner can have a whinge about my attitude, but the owner soon finds out, I'm there to ensure the place runs smoothly and if they want to brown nose or try pull rank, I'll push back twice as hard...

And I can also say honestly, I have never been sacked or forced out....I have always left on good terms and can always walk back into a previous job, despite my attitude towards brown nosers and born into management type

 

[Skydrol]

I like small business where the boss knows his staff by name and can do the same work without thinking twice.

Medium to large business is full of people who are only there protecting/justifying their own jobs, commonly known as middle management,

It is the same with Socialism, does not scale well. We see it working on a small scale, and when applied to big governments is a bureaucratic mess.

 

[chrisp]

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Whilst I haven't worked for a large corporation, I have worked to get where I am.....I'll also add in, the extra cash doesn't cover the extra headfcuks associated with the position.

I also have mates that work for large corporations....Some are in management positions, but it hasn't been handed to them on a silver platter, nor is their nose brown....

I have worked with brown noses and born into management position people (ie family members), but they soon find out, I don't care about their antics....

Whinge all they like, haul me into the office so the owner can have a whinge about my attitude, but the owner soon finds out, I'm there to ensure the place runs smoothly and if they want to brown nose or try pull rank, I'll push back twice as hard...

And I can also say honestly, I have never been sacked or forced out....I have always left on good terms and can always walk back into a previous job, despite my attitude towards brown nosers and born into management type

I think it’s a matter of scale. If you, or anyone else, ‘works hard’ we might eventually get multiple times the average salary. So instead of being on $75k per year, we might get to earn ten times that - say $750k per year - or close to a $M per year. But even those levels are outliers in reality, but maybe the odd lawyer or surgeon will get there. But they are still ‘working class’ - stop working and their income stops too.

The super rich are way way above that. Their ‘worth’ is measured in billions (or even tens of $B). Do they really do a thousand (or tens of thousands) times more work than the average worker? No one ‘works up the ladder’ to those levels. Those levels are the preserve of the super wealthy and not accessible via the ‘working hard’ pathway. It’s a very closed club, and ‘hard work’, or even ‘work’, isn’t a major contributor to their wealth. They just like you to believe that it is. They don’t have to work at all to maintain their dizzy income.

 

[Immortality]

Nothing scales well.

Problem is, certain groups are much more interested in screwing over the rest of society for their own personal gain.

 

[vc commodore]

I think it’s a matter of scale. If you, or anyone else, ‘works hard’ we might eventually get multiple times the average salary. So instead of being on $75k per year, we might get to earn ten times that - say $750k per year - or close to a $M per year. But even those levels are outliers in reality, but maybe the odd lawyer or surgeon will get there. But they are still ‘working class’ - stop working and their income stops too.

The super rich are way way above that. Their ‘worth’ is measured in billions (or even tens of $B). Do they really do a thousand (or tens of thousands) times more work than the average worker? No one ‘works up the ladder’ to those levels. Those levels are the preserve of the super wealthy and not accessible via the ‘working hard’ pathway. It’s a very closed club, and ‘hard work’, or even ‘work’, isn’t a major contributor to their wealth. They just like you to believe that it is. They don’t have to work at all to maintain their dizzy income.

With the increase in wages, comes an increase in responsibility.....

So people may not want to have a pay increase in line with the extra responsibilities associated with that

 

[Immortality]

I think it’s a matter of scale. If you, or anyone else, ‘works hard’ we might eventually get multiple times the average salary. So instead of being on $75k per year, we might get to earn ten times that - say $750k per year - or close to a $M per year. But even those levels are outliers in reality, but maybe the odd lawyer or surgeon will get there. But they are still ‘working class’ - stop working and their income stops too.

The super rich are way way above that. Their ‘worth’ is measured in billions (or even tens of $B). Do they really do a thousand (or tens of thousands) times more work than the average worker? No one ‘works up the ladder’ to those levels. Those levels are the preserve of the super wealthy and not accessible via the ‘working hard’ pathway. It’s a very closed club, and ‘hard work’, or even ‘work’, isn’t a major contributor to their wealth. They just like you to believe that it is. They don’t have to work at all to maintain their dizzy income.

And don't ever think that the likes of Musk, Gates and Bezos haven't screwed people over on their way to the big bucks. You don't get to the top playing nice.