RayNixon
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EDITS AFTER PROJECT COMPLETION (June 2018)
So I set out on a mission to install VZ gauges in my VY...
In the last few weeks I have learned. The VY oil sender is only a digital sender (binary, On/Off, Oil pressure/no oil pressure) This is hooked up to the ECU as an indication/warning lamp (This is incorrect, All LS1s have oil pressure sensors that tell the PCM what the oil pressure is). This is why when ever gauges(of any type) are hooked up to a VY there has to be a second (analog) sender "T'd" in to feed a signal to the gauges. (An additional sensor is always used to isolate aftermarket mods from OEM circuits)
The VZ came factory with an analog oil sender, which reads from 0-80ish PSI straight to the ECU for indication/warning and well as diagnostics can tell oil pressure (partially correct, although the factory LS1 sensor is a digital transducer type which outputs 0-5v depending on the oil pressure)
Now where it gets tricky. In 2005 GM introduced a new internal electronic messaging system called GM-LAN (better know as SWCAN) this is built on the CAN BUS protocol. So in the VZ's the Oil pressure was sent to the ECU or BCM (not sure which one) and the signal was then converted to be sent out through the vehicles GM-LAN. This GM-LAN is a single wire that is present in manny locations through out the VZ, including the instrument cluster.(this is just 100% wrong. ignore all of this)
Now, I'm not 100% sure if the VY has any kind of CAN BUS coms happening, but if there is, it is not broadcasting an Oil pressure reading. (absolute no CAN in these cars, which is cleared up in the next post.... but. the VZ does broadcast the Oil pressure over the secondary serial comms line and the VY does not.)
Now to date, I have only read of one person who has installed these gauges... and they sent the gauge to be modified to accept a standard analog oil pressure sender unit. costing $200-$300.
I plan to build a CAN BUS injector unit that will converter the standard analog sender unit and broadcast the oil pressure as a CAN BUS message.
I currently have everything in place ready to build my module.
This is the harness i built, that taps into the plug that powers the climate control screen.
this is 4 wires
Pink - Ignition
Orange/Yellow - constant 12v
Brown/White - Illumination
Yellow/Black - Ground
the second plug on the gauge side of the harness is where i will plug my module in and inject the CAN BUS message on the green wire to the gauges. (this plug is now gone)
This is the Plug that powers the climate control screen it has all the required wires to hook up everything but the Green CanBus wire.
So I am currently at this point.
everything is working, but the oil gauge, i have my extra plug tapped in, which has Ground, Power, CAN-BUS wire and the two wires off the oil sender. From here i should have have to plug my module into this spare plug, and i will have oil gauge.
Tune in next week for the building of the CAN-BUS injector.
PS, If i am mistaking with any of my information, please feel free to correct/educate me. (i was mistaking a lot)
So I set out on a mission to install VZ gauges in my VY...
In the last few weeks I have learned. The VY oil sender is only a digital sender (binary, On/Off, Oil pressure/no oil pressure) This is hooked up to the ECU as an indication/warning lamp (This is incorrect, All LS1s have oil pressure sensors that tell the PCM what the oil pressure is). This is why when ever gauges(of any type) are hooked up to a VY there has to be a second (analog) sender "T'd" in to feed a signal to the gauges. (An additional sensor is always used to isolate aftermarket mods from OEM circuits)
The VZ came factory with an analog oil sender, which reads from 0-80ish PSI straight to the ECU for indication/warning and well as diagnostics can tell oil pressure (partially correct, although the factory LS1 sensor is a digital transducer type which outputs 0-5v depending on the oil pressure)
Now where it gets tricky. In 2005 GM introduced a new internal electronic messaging system called GM-LAN (better know as SWCAN) this is built on the CAN BUS protocol. So in the VZ's the Oil pressure was sent to the ECU or BCM (not sure which one) and the signal was then converted to be sent out through the vehicles GM-LAN. This GM-LAN is a single wire that is present in manny locations through out the VZ, including the instrument cluster.(this is just 100% wrong. ignore all of this)
Now, I'm not 100% sure if the VY has any kind of CAN BUS coms happening, but if there is, it is not broadcasting an Oil pressure reading. (absolute no CAN in these cars, which is cleared up in the next post.... but. the VZ does broadcast the Oil pressure over the secondary serial comms line and the VY does not.)
Now to date, I have only read of one person who has installed these gauges... and they sent the gauge to be modified to accept a standard analog oil pressure sender unit. costing $200-$300.
I plan to build a CAN BUS injector unit that will converter the standard analog sender unit and broadcast the oil pressure as a CAN BUS message.
I currently have everything in place ready to build my module.
This is the harness i built, that taps into the plug that powers the climate control screen.
this is 4 wires
Pink - Ignition
Orange/Yellow - constant 12v
Brown/White - Illumination
Yellow/Black - Ground
the second plug on the gauge side of the harness is where i will plug my module in and inject the CAN BUS message on the green wire to the gauges. (this plug is now gone)
This is the Plug that powers the climate control screen it has all the required wires to hook up everything but the Green CanBus wire.
So I am currently at this point.
everything is working, but the oil gauge, i have my extra plug tapped in, which has Ground, Power, CAN-BUS wire and the two wires off the oil sender. From here i should have have to plug my module into this spare plug, and i will have oil gauge.
Tune in next week for the building of the CAN-BUS injector.
PS, If i am mistaking with any of my information, please feel free to correct/educate me. (i was mistaking a lot)
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