I havn't even read the thread, don't need to because I know GT4 with all it's flaws is still by far the best console car sim out at the moment, there's no need to even consider any other one unless you are seriously weird in the brain
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. But I don't like how the car still turn into a corner with the brakes locked up, Enthusia is better in that regard, Forza is ok too but the rest of the game is just sad. I'm a little bit weird myself since I have all 3 ps2/xbox/cube consoles and I'll tell anyone all day the ps2 is the quickest of the three _if_ a good coder gets on it, not many people believe that : )