Holden Commodore Limited Edition models

[ProfMopar]

Back on topic again; Southgate Holden Adelaide have sold their nitrate MSE.....someone's are happy camper out there.

"a" not "are"

 

[426Cuda]

"a" not "are"

Hey Prof,
Just FYI. Did you know there is an edit function?

 

[Martin Norris]

You could call me that, but I used to be a Holden man... I would have been very unlikely to buy a new Holden when I was, and I'm certainly less likely to be buying a new BMW now. If you know a thing or two about cars and mechanical things, there is no reason to buy a new car unless you are "keeping up with the joneses". My point is that if you apply your knowledge and expertise to the second hand market you can get a car that is virtually indistinguishable from new at a much more palatable price. And that newer is not always better.

Agree with you also stig but these aren't your usual cars as they are the last best factory Holden's, no previous versions with MRC etc. This for me is my first and probably last new car and unlike BMW/Audi/Merc's etc will cost very little to service. Fine buying 10-12yo BM's but what do they cost to keep on the road with an up to date dealership service record (to maintain value). The Redline represents excellent value for money and best of all its made in Australia, didn't see any Australian made vehicles mentioned in relation to the current airbag debacle. Do yourself a favour and get onboard

 

[Sabbath']

Fine buying 10-12yo BM's but what do they cost to keep on the road with an up to date dealership service record (to maintain value).

Playing devils advocate here , what is the likelyhood do you feel personally of there still being "Holden" service centres within the factory service life of these last made vehicles?

 

[leathert74]

ok people say jealousy is a curse but certain people on here, 1 of 2 things they really wanted a LE either missed out or just could not afford one. I will say the lucky few of us who garnered one I could guarantee we wanted one or 2. I myself no I registered interest for my first Director late last year which I was lucky enough to secure, and yes I know have a second purely by chance it became available and i took it.
Long and short of it all I am older wiser and have few spare dollars love my Holden's especially my v8s. I cant take my money to the grave so I intend to enjoy it and what better way with a nice raw v8 considering I will not be able to buy another Aussie built v8 anytime in the future and in saying that yes it is nice to buy European but it is not promoting Aussie jobs or investment that has now been seen by all Aussie car manufactures leaving Australia.
Ok I do own a 2014 Bentley Sports as well, but i prefer to drive my Calais V V8 over the Bentley any day. The Bentley is in another league and well beyond BMW and Mercedes in my opinion it ain't raw it refined to such an extent you don't enjoy it. Before anyone complains about my previous words I actually purchased the car off a friend who was in financial difficulties so only reason I even own it.

Long and Short of it all people who have bought LE's wanted one because they are the last of the Aussie built v8s and yes we can all buy euro or Asian and they might be better but they ain't Aussie built

 

[thestig]

I've bought several new cars over the years; Ford, Holden, HSV, FPV, Dodge, and a Jag. In my experience, apart from minor niggles, expensive things don't f#@k up until at least 100,000km. Sure, they've lost half their purchase price by then, and if you sell 'em that hurts a little. But if ya keep 'em, ya didn't really lose at all. Buying second hand may be cheaper, but comes with an uncertain history (trust me), and you're closer to, if not already arrived at, 100,000km.

I've encountered plenty of fellas who criticise new car buyers, making us out to be mugs or dumbies with no financial sense, but typically these critics simply cannot afford new cars so they employ their little psychological defence mechanism of belittling those who can.

So if you keep something you paid too much for you somehow magically negate the fact you paid too much for it? I'm not sure I follow...

History can be determined fairly accurately with a little bit of effort and a selective approach.

I've not had anything "expensive" fùck up on second hand cars with the sole exception of a 20 year old vehicle, which I am first to admit was a bit of a gamble in the first place, however, given the total cost of purchase plus repair I still feel I am way ahead.

In my case, being able to afford a new car is a subjective matter. Being able to afford, and wanting to waste the money, are two entirely different things. I will say however that buying the newest version of any of my currently favoured vehicles would be a financial stretch for me. But really that is entirely my point, you can get so much more car for your money if you buy second hand in a strategic and controlled manner.

 

[thestig]

Agree with you also stig but these aren't your usual cars as they are the last best factory Holden's, no previous versions with MRC etc. This for me is my first and probably last new car and unlike BMW/Audi/Merc's etc will cost very little to service. Fine buying 10-12yo BM's but what do they cost to keep on the road with an up to date dealership service record (to maintain value). The Redline represents excellent value for money and best of all its made in Australia, didn't see any Australian made vehicles mentioned in relation to the current airbag debacle. Do yourself a favour and get onboard

Can't comment about Audi and Merc, but in my experience, no BMW dealership can compete with the cost savings to be had with a proper 3rd party specialist service centre, careful research, and parts direct from their OEM manufacturer. Dealership service is not mandatory, but professional well respected service centres are if you wish to maintain value. You would be suprised by just how low the costs can be. I myself find no trouble obtaining quality service in the order of only 20% more than your typical Holden or HSV. Again, it relates to how much time and effort you are willing to put into research and a selective approach.

 

[HoldenCalaisV]

ok people say jealousy is a curse but certain people on here, 1 of 2 things they really wanted a LE either missed out or just could not afford one. I will say the lucky few of us who garnered one I could guarantee we wanted one or 2. I myself no I registered interest for my first Director late last year which I was lucky enough to secure, and yes I know have a second purely by chance it became available and i took it.
Long and short of it all I am older wiser and have few spare dollars love my Holden's especially my v8s. I cant take my money to the grave so I intend to enjoy it and what better way with a nice raw v8 considering I will not be able to buy another Aussie built v8 anytime in the future and in saying that yes it is nice to buy European but it is not promoting Aussie jobs or investment that has now been seen by all Aussie car manufactures leaving Australia.
Ok I do own a 2014 Bentley Sports as well, but i prefer to drive my Calais V V8 over the Bentley any day. The Bentley is in another league and well beyond BMW and Mercedes in my opinion it ain't raw it refined to such an extent you don't enjoy it. Before anyone complains about my previous words I actually purchased the car off a friend who was in financial difficulties so only reason I even own it.

Long and Short of it all people who have bought LE's wanted one because they are the last of the Aussie built v8s and yes we can all buy euro or Asian and they might be better but they ain't Aussie built

I was planning to get the low end E-class with an 4 cylinder turbo petrol engine instead of the Calais-V but thought to myself I would never have much fun as I would driving one of the last Aussie Built V8's.

Once your Director's arrive in your hands any chance of us seeing the two side by side?

 

[Martin Norris]

Playing devils advocate here , what is the likelyhood do you feel personally of there still being "Holden" service centres within the factory service life of these last made vehicles?

Not trying to play anything, just stating facts. If you want me to speculate on Holden's future my response is I don't know. Holden has an obligation to maintain parts surplies for the next 10 years. If they are bought out by someone else I expect that obligation will be passed on. Whilst we're speculating, at what point do you think it will be cheaper to maintain a V10 BMW M5 than a Redline? I know its a stupid question but if you can't beat em.........

 

[Sabbath']

Not trying to play anything, just stating facts. If you want me to speculate on Holden's future my response is I don't know.

I'll rephrase my question then since you sort of picked up the wrong end of the stick:-

Your question to Stig was about what it costs to keep a dealership stamp in the book of a 10-12yo BMW. Which is why i asked the question about Holden and was hinting towards asking if you had any thoughts on what you might do given the uncertainty of what could actually happen with the brand in the future. Finding a BMW dealership in 10 years time is looking a damn site more certain than a Holden dealership at this point in time.

Holden has an obligation to maintain parts surplies for the next 10 years. If they are bought out by someone else I expect that obligation will be passed on.

Parts arent the issue, it's the service. Keeping a warehouse stocked with parts is easy, people paying to keep their Holden Service franchise is the factor you cant obligate people to do.

Whilst we're speculating, at what point do you think it will be cheaper to maintain a V10 BMW M5 than a Redline? I know its a stupid question but if you can't beat em.........

Since the cars fall into two completly different buyer categories im going to assume you're taking the initial purchase price into account here and then referencing the service cost as a percentage of the price? Because if you're doing it that way then the BMW will likely be cheaper to maintain to the regular schedule given the data i cared to find.