Laws to target racist bumper stickers

[soop]

I didn't mean anything personal with the German thing.

It was just funny that he added "And Im german" at the same time. I have nothing against Germans.
Surely someone else must have had a moment.

 

[DanVG]

Though my family has lived in Australia for a few generations now I have no real english-australian ancestry, however my great grandparents and grandparents took the view that they were reflections of where they came from. They respected the Australian way of life, adopted aspects of it however they still practiced parts of their culture. My great grandparents where the first people to bring Shiraz grapes to Australia, so it can't be said that they didn't contribute to the Australian way of life. They where told to **** of, and to go back home by many people, just like how the Greeks and Italians where in the 60's and they have all managed to contribute greatly to Australia.

Just because other countries might burn our flag, and preach death to the west doesn't mean aussies should display racist stickers to get back at them, Its what makes us better than them (people who are racist, not people from those areas).

And Australia isn't overpopulated, just areas such as Melbourne, Wollongong-Sydney-Newcastle and SE QLD are ...... Its a bloody big country, plenty of projects such as the Ord River Irrigation Scheme would free sustainable land for many many more people.

 

[Calaber]

Why do we, as Australians, feel so strongly about immigration? Do we feel threatened that we will be outnumbered eventually by people born overseas? Do we resent their cultures? Do we resent their religion? Or do we feel threatened by the fact that they are "foreign"?

Xenophobia has existed in our society since the White Australia Policy was created soon after Federation, and probably well before then. We are naturally distrustful of people wanting to come to our shores to live, if they are not of Anglo-Saxon heritage or Caucasian, because they are "different". Putting stickers on your bumper telling them to go home isn't particularly intelligent - it reeks of the "redneck" image that Robin Williams was pilloried for last week when he spoke about Austalians as a variety of "English rednecks".

I accept the fact that there are elements within some immigrant groups that violate our social standards and seem intent on perpetrating hatred and anger towards their cultures and the innocent members of their groups collectively. I am concerned at the level of migration from one or two areas where people have been exposed to war, pestillence, hunger, poverty - things we do not experence in our lives, but which have been everyday occurrences to them for protracted periods. Their experiences must have affected them and perhaps, in some cases, their attitude towards us is a reflection of their experiences. I don't like what some of them do here, particularly in relation to violent crime and anti-social behaviour. I don't like the way that some within the subsequent generations, those actually born here, behave towards us. I admit that I don't trust Muslims, simply because that particular religion seems to have declared war on Western nations via terrorism and aggression, world wide. I wonder when it will be our turn on our own turf to suffer that terrorism. Arrests have been made of a number of Muslim terrorists in Australia who were convicted of planning deadly attacks here. They probably won't be the only ones, unfortunately.

So, what is it we don't like about them - the fact that they constitute a potential threat, the fact that the numbers of illegal immigrants arriving by boat has increased substantially since Krudd took the helm, or the belief that this country, with 22 million people, really is "full"?

 

[Grennan]

At the moment, 22 million is "Full".

We just do not have the infrastructure to support more and more people. Dams around the country are running out of water - blame the "drought" i personally blame lack of infrastructure for the last couple of decades and a growing population. Housing shortage. Everyone complains about a) the extremely high price of housing and land at the moment and b) if your a renter the insane prices of renting a house...if you can find one.

We also have our own problems. I am of the firm belief "look after your own backyard before you look after someone elses". We have a failing hospital system, a failing public transport system, we have our own poverty etc. Before we go rush off and help these ILLEGAL arrivals, help the people who live here legally, who contribute to society and clean up the mess you have here.

 

[DanVG]

Don't think any one has said they support illegal immigration. The majority of immigrants in Australia arrived here legally, and that is something we can control, i.e only allowing in people with qualifications that we need. In allot of circumstances it has been immigrant labour forces that helped Australia's infrastructure grow.

 

[Calaber]

At the moment, 22 million is "Full".

We just do not have the infrastructure to support more and more people. Dams around the country are running out of water - blame the "drought" i personally blame lack of infrastructure for the last couple of decades and a growing population. Housing shortage. Everyone complains about a) the extremely high price of housing and land at the moment and b) if your a renter the insane prices of renting a house...if you can find one.

We also have our own problems. I am of the firm belief "look after your own backyard before you look after someone elses". We have a failing hospital system, a failing public transport system, we have our own poverty etc. Before we go rush off and help these ILLEGAL arrivals, help the people who live here legally, who contribute to society and clean up the mess you have here.

Grennan

Yes, our infrastructure is sadly deficient in many crucial areas, and it would be nice if governments, both Federal and State, would spend the money necessary to fix the lack of water supply, the run-down hospitals, the poor roads, the inadequate rail system......and there is absolutely no defence for the fact that those things have deteriorated to their present levels. But you're not going to stop immigration completely - there will always be an annual intake and it will be in the hundreds of thousands, because of this country's obligations as a member of the UN.

I too resent the flow if "illegal immigrants" we are experiencing at present, not only those arriving by boat, but also those who arrive as visitors and don't go home at the expiration of their visas. I consider the manner in which Krudd and Co have handled the boat people to be absolutely deplorable, not only in humanitarian and economic terms but also in national security and as a demonstation of how gutless, lilly-livered and pathetically weak, the Federal government really is. Strong and effective action is desperately needed to eradicate this evil trade in human lives and having stronger border protection laws must be part of that process. Only a fool could defend Rudd's changes to those laws which have so obviously influenced the recent influx of these refugees.

But putting up signs saying "we're full" is stupid. No matter how much you don't want them here, immigrants and a managed and controlled immigration program is a fact of life.

Perhaps we should direct our anger at those paid representatives in parliament who have done such a piss-poor job of building our country since the war and failed to prepare the country for a large population. (And building massively overpriced and in some cases, unwanted outdoor school shelters is NOT building the sort of infrastructure we need to do that.)

 

[Cobez]

Couldn't give a ****. I don't generally put stickers on my car anyway. They should be banning Southern Cross stickers, not "**** off.......we're full" stickers.

 

[jules]

At the moment, 22 million is "Full".

We just do not have the infrastructure to support more and more people. Dams around the country are running out of water - blame the "drought" i personally blame lack of infrastructure for the last couple of decades and a growing population.

those are easily solvable issues. desal plants, or recycled water plants would solve the water 'shortage' - no problem.

population increase actually means better infrastructure. australia's roads are a pathetic thin layer of bitumen that often breaks up in a few months, precisely because we don't have the economy to fund them. larger population = larger economy, unless you happen to be one of the flat earthers who believes there is a cap on the number of jobs and they will be taken by immigrants.

it makes perfect sense for australia to grow. immigrants become 'aussies' over time. all the asians i remember used to get picked on 20 years ago are now more aussie than half the aussies i know.

 

[minux]

those are easily solvable issues. desal plants, or recycled water plants would solve the water 'shortage' - no problem.

population increase actually means better infrastructure. australia's roads are a pathetic thin layer of bitumen that often breaks up in a few months, precisely because we don't have the economy to fund them. larger population = larger economy, unless you happen to be one of the flat earthers who believes there is a cap on the number of jobs and they will be taken by immigrants.

it makes perfect sense for australia to grow. immigrants become 'aussies' over time. all the asians i remember used to get picked on 20 years ago are now more aussie than half the aussies i know.

desal plants? :rofl: They are the most ineffeicent, waste of money piles of crap to ever be thought of. If the government was serious about moving forward with infrastructure we would be building Nuclear plants. No ifs buts or maybes.

Population increase doesnt always mean better infrastructure, Australia is proof of that, in fact since ourt population has been increasing our roads have got worse, we build them cheaper and more sub standard than ever. This has nothing to do with funding, it has to do with the fact the governments take in the lowest bidder.

Fairly sure no one in this thread has an issue with legal immigration where the immigrants assimilate. What we have a problem with is illegal border jumpers, people who come here to abuse our systems and those who do nto assimilate. We should be banning intakes from countries where they are already massively mis-represented in the criminal system, and taking only those who provide a service to this country by living by our traditions and our cultures. Easiest way to do this is to take the graph per capita by the ABS, anyone over the "anglo saxon"(bulk majority of population) crime rates should automatically be excluded from entrance to Australia. Currently this stands at around 14 different areas.

 

[Keepleft]

Freedom of speech? I think your confusing the USA with Australia, we have no freedom of speech under our democracy.

Ahh but we do, we have an "implied right" to anything really, UNLESS a l.a.w expressly passed by parliament creates a prohibition. As it does, and in Constitutional framework (the latter which is often 'ignored').

We once had the 1688 Bill Of Rights (preambled in some State Constitutions for example), (it also gives us 'parliamentary priviledge) and Maga Carta to protect us.

BUT over the decades, and in particular with the Australia Act passed by the extremist, Hawke, saw much of our inherited protections, including Privvy Council appeal 'removed'.

These days even the State GG is a politically chosen and motivated role, answerable to The Premier, and then Ministers. The role has some 'reserve powers' untested:=- at_this_time.

Freedom is not hereditary.

My old man arrived back in Australia in late 1979 and again took up practice as a QC having been a PNG National Court Judge, in NSW between 1980 and up to his death in 1989, he highlighted some 5,000 new pieces of NSW legislation that directly made it easier for citizens to face goal. Reckoned that if people *really understood* the working law, they'd be on the streets.

Of course, we wonder why some folk seem to get 'easy sentences or none at all'. Typically the maximums are in legislation, BUT what compels a judge are socialist inspired "Judicial Sentencing Guidelines" and associated legal-reformist agenda.

Latter bits another topic for another day.