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Mr Bodykit front lip FYI - fitment issues VF

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Regardless of what the images show
Does that mean Holden are responsible to retrofit free of charge, colour coded mirror covers for an SSV Redline when the mirror covers pictured in the Redline sales brochure are black?
 
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Does that mean Holden are responsible to retrofit free of charge, colour coded mirror covers for an SSV Redline when the mirror covers pictured in the Redline sales brochure are black?
You’ve lost me there.
 

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I’d be going back to this mission statement which is a banner for their approach to all their products.

Regardless of what the images show (that no one buying would be noticing) the product for the VF2 SS does not meet their own criteria for fitment.

They use 3D scanners to get fitment right. (It’s not right)

They are asking their customers to trust they are getting correct fitment OEM grade body kits.

Not knock offs or low quality products. This product is of low quality because it doesn’t fit correctly.

Those are their own words.

They have sold a product that doesn’t meet their own standards of manufacture. It’s written right there that it’s not their expectation for a customer to get what you e bought. Their own trust statement has been compromised.
WTF is 'carbon fiberglass'?
 

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It’s carbon fibre cloth and used with the regular acrylic resins that are used with fibreglass cloth.

I vaguely recall back when I made and fixed boards in the late 80’s and early 90’s some sort of new black cloth being used at a place I got my supplies from. I think it was Colin Earl on Hay St Subi. Looked cool.
 

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WTF is 'carbon fiberglass'?
99.9% normal fibre glass with 0.1% of added of carbon fibre :p

i.e. it’s probably marketing fluff :rolleyes:
 

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99.9% normal fibre glass with 0.1% of added of carbon fibre :p

i.e. it’s probably marketing fluff :rolleyes:
It is stronger.
 

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the mission statement is not going to help in the ops case because it is not product specific and the company if asked will say the product has been designed that way for "insert reason here".
a consumer cant impose expectations on a companies design, if they could you would all be driving a very different vf.

you need to find a defect/fault that causes the product to not operate as intended/advertised or is different to the product advertised.
if the other vf2 kits had perfect end to end fitment but the ops one didnt then that would be a defect but by the look of it they are all designed that way.

the op has essentially purchased the product, had it painted then fitted it and said i dont like the look of that and this is honestly not a solid reason for return because it falls in to "change of mind"
the company is reluctant to refund because it has been painted so really it cant be resold and from a business standpoint you have to understand where they are coming from.

if we could all buy products and use them for a short time/modify them and turn around and say i dont like that and be due a refund by law no one would want to sell sh!t in this country because no matter how good the product is a business can be exploited.

if a case were to go to fair trade common sense would be applied and they would see that every product including the ops has the same design so its not a singular defect.
they would ask about the design being short and the company will say something like "it is designed like that to stop it binding on curbs" or something.
they would look at how the product was advertised and see the same fitment in the advertising.
they would ask the op why they are not happy and it would be about the look of the product not fitting perfectly at the end.

then they would form an opinion and how that goes we cant really say but i would think it would be dismissed because there is no fault with the product it is just the aesthetics of the product so it is really just change of mind.

looking at their refund policy they dont offer anything for change of mind, they do offer refunds for defective or damaged products which they are required to do by law.


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There is absolutely an argument here. It should be pressed through the right channels.

The ACCC or Qld State should request the fitment of the product be made clear as part of the written description as well as the subtle appearance in a photo. If it’s meant to be like that, it is clearly a feature of the lip spoiler design and should be part of the description. It’s an odd feature. One that is not like that on their other products. It is a strong part of the look of the end product. Someone who is sight impaired may not pick that up.

Even if it was not painted, it’s installed and that means if it was returned and someone else bought one and got this one, it’s going to be obvious it’s been used. It would not be clear that fitment is poor (in the eyes of reasonable expectation of a consumer) until it has been fitted.

This might be another complaint in a long line of complaints and it’s an accumulation of submissions by consumers that can paint a picture of problems with sellers. The ACCC and State Consumer Depts are interested in that data. It shouldn’t be argued away and not acted on.

Yes there’s an argument. Yes @op should pursue the refund.
 

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There is absolutely an argument here. It should be pressed through the right channels.

The ACCC or Qld State should request the fitment of the product be made clear as part of the written description as well as the subtle appearance in a photo. If it’s meant to be like that, it is clearly a feature of the lip spoiler design and should be part of the description. It’s an odd feature. One that is not like that on their other products. It is a strong part of the look of the end product. Someone who is sight impaired may not pick that up.

Even if it was not painted, it’s installed and that means if it was returned and someone else bought one and got this one, it’s going to be obvious it’s been used. It would not be clear that fitment is poor (in the eyes of reasonable expectation of a consumer) until it has been fitted.

This might be another complaint in a long line of complaints and it’s an accumulation of submissions by consumers that can paint a picture of problems with sellers. The ACCC and State Consumer Depts are interested in that data. It shouldn’t be argued away and not acted on.

Yes there’s an argument. Yes @op should pursue the refund.

of course there is an "argument" but that does not mean you are going to win.

again a consumer cannot force expectations on a product design, if the product is designed to be like that then that is how it is.

you cannot compare a different product to the one in question, that is not how it works so the vf1 product cannot be used as an expectation of the vf2 product.

you need to prove a defect or a fault of the product for a refund to be required by law.
your dislike of the look of the product is called "change of mind" and there is no legal requirement of the vendor to issue a refund for that reason.

like i said before, the fitment is shown in the advertising.
i can only assume the product is designed that way so every one of them sold has that fitment so its not a fault or a defect.

you can argue ignorance on your part for not looking at the advertising but that is going to cause you an instant loss of the argument because the vendor is not responsible for consumer ignorance.

if they attempt to do something to obfuscate or hide the fitment in the advertising then it is classed as misleading and they lose.

i am not saying for the op to not pursue the refund nor am i saying they wont receive one, i am saying the op needs to go in with actual grounds for the refund because not liking the look is called "change of mind".

saying i read their mission statement and think it should mean that every product is designed to my expectations is ludicrous and pretty much going to result in a dismissal of the application to have it heard.
 

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