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VE Oil Transmission Cooler for caravan towing

canadakid111

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I have a VE Berlina sedan with a 2100 kg maximum tow bar. I've recently purchased a caravan with a maximum ATM of 2040 kg. it has been recommended to me to look at having installed an oil transmission cooler.

I'm interested in your thoughts and also approximate costs
 

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I have a 2180 kg Jayco tandem poptop and towed it 22000k's over 5 months with our SS Sportwagon without one and was told beforehand not to bother with a cooler as the VE is quite capable and much improved on older models.
Not sure if the V6 would make any difference tranmission wise but we'll be off again next year again in ours. Worked beautifully averaging 16.4 l/100.
 

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An oil cooler is piece of mins really. The cooling on the VE is good but nothing beats a separate cooler.
 

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The case FOR a auxillary Automatic Transmission Oil Cooler:

As for the need to fit an Automatic Transmission oil cooler. I suggest that you install a temperature gauge into the transmission line before it enters the radiator (standard transmission cooler). Once you get an idea of the temperatures involved (it can rise between 30 - 50 degrees centigrade) with towing you will never again tow without one installed. They are relatively cheap as compared with the cost of a re-built transmission. I suggest that you take little notice of the person on the Holden Service Department and their opinion that the vehicle does not require additional cooling. Ask the Police Departments why they insist upon additional coolers on all of their automatic vehicles. Ask Holden why it fits and external cooler to the Adventra. They probably won't know but it is to allow for greater cooling during 'extreme' off-road driving etc. Towing is considered as 'extreme driving conditions'. Apart from truck prime movers and large agricultural tractors no vehicles are actually designed for towing. Vehicles commonly used for towing caravans etc are always a compromise between cost and capability and often require modification(s) to enable safe and successful towing.

Have a read of the following for some ideas:

Heat is Your Transmissions Greatest Enemy

Overheating is responsible for the majority of automatic transmission failures. Normal temperatures run about the same as the engine coolant temperature which is regulated by the thermostat to around 90 degrees C.

This brings up a very important point. A well maintained cooling system can extend the transmissions life. Part or all of the transmissions oil cooling function, depending on your vehicle, is built into the vehicles radiator. If the vehicle has an external auxiliary transmission cooler, outside of and usually in front of the radiator, it can help keep the transmission oil and engine coolant cooler. You should always install an additional cooler in-line with the standard cooler as the engine relies on temperature generated by the transmission to assist with raising the operating temperatures for optimum operations.

As the temperature of the transmission fluid increases, the life of the fluid deceases very rapidly:

?90 degree C. allows the fluid to be run for up to 80,000 kilometres before servicing is required
?100 degree C. causes the fluid life to be cut in half to 40,000 kilometres
?113 degree C. causes the fluid life to be cut in half again to 20,000 kilometres
?123 degree C. causes the fluid life to be cut in half again to 10,000 kilometres

Based on these temperatures you can see that one overheat condition of the cooling system or the transmission is cause for immediate replacement of the transmission fluid. (Many Police Departments insist that after a high speed chase, obviously involving Police vehicle(s), that the transmission fluid and brake fluid are completely drained and flushed owing to the extreme temperatures generated and potential for severe damage to components).

Towing Increases the Temperature

Light to moderate load towing will try to increase the transmissions temperature but the cooler would control it under most conditions. If the outside temperature is too high, you are towing in mountainous areas or any of the three following are happening your transmission is at risk:

?Towing in overdrive when it is not recommended for your transmission will cause excess heat and probable failure of the overdrive components in the transmission.

?The extra weight of towing puts additional load on the engine and transmission which will increase the operating temperature of both. If the cooler can’t handle this extra heat the transmission fluid life is reduced as stated above.

?Towing a load over the rating of the tow vehicle, besides being unsafe, will also drive temperatures too high.

Add Extra Cooling if Towing

Installation of an auxiliary oil cooler can protect against excess heat causing premature transmission failure. Dropping the fluid temperature by 20 degrees F. will potentially double the life of the fluid. Most external coolers will drop the fluid temperature by 20 to 30 degrees F.

Service it Regularly

Have a thorough read of your Owners Manual. Most (probably all) manufacturers recommend servicing of both vehicle and transmission at more frequent intervals if the vehicle is driven in harsh (dirty/dusty/rural) conditions including towing.

Most repair shops recommend servicing your automatic transmission around 50,000 to 80,000 kilometres for normal driving conditions which exclude towing or extreme hot, cold or dusty conditions.

Prices for a complete filter and fluid replacement normally run around $120 to $180. If you are just getting a fluid flush the price runs in the $80 to $100 range.

Some transmission repair shops do not perform flushes. They believe the best method is regular removal of the oil and filter by removing the pan on the bottom of the transmission (good advice). You should also be aware that some manufacturers, like Honda, have clearly stated not to flush their transmissions in one of their factory bulletins.

As described above the breakdown of the fluid due to heat causes it to not protect the internal moving parts of the transmission. This will greatly shorten the life of your transmission. Overhaul or major repairs run in the area of $1600 to $8000 depending on the extent of internal damage and the type of transmission.

YOUR MONEY - YOUR CAR - YOUR CHOICE.
 

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Thank you for the above post. It is very comprehensive and I appreciate the time you have put into it.

A couple of questions:

What is the cost of getting an oil transmission cooler installed?

Is it best to get a Holden dealer to do the installation or do you recommend somebody else?
 

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You can do the job yourself if handy with spanners etc. I wouldn't go to a Holden Dealer, they will likely charge and 'arm and leg', instead I would suggest checking with some of your local Auto Transmission Specialists. They will be able to supply and install. Prices thus will be higher than if you do the job. Transmission coolers are not all that expensive and are readily available off eBay. Have a look at this one :Automatic Transmission Cooler"KIT"Commodore VE | eBay I have dealt with this seller, very satisfying experience, PWR products are Australian designed and built. A Transmission Specialist is likely to charge you a lot more for the cooler, might be in your interest to purchase one and ask them to install. They should be able to do it in less than an (one) hour. Labour might be $100.00 - $150.00 or so. It is generally recommended that you leave the original cooler connected and then connect the extra one so that you will in effect have two coolers functioning. By doing so it will still enable the engine to reach operating temperature more efficiently/quickly and will have no adverse affect on vehicle operation. Good luck.
 
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If you're going to get a cooler I can highly second Benboys recommendation of the PWR brand. Top quality shizz at a decent price, just whacked one on my car. The only bit with mine is I had the screw on type hoses, so I had to do some mods with a double flare tool and some heavy duty (fuel injection) double clamps. Because the PWR brand has a barb not a flare it may be impossible to use screw mount adapters to hook up the hoses.
 

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Great advice BB well done.
 

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Your VE with the 2100kg tow bar should have the 'cooling package' already added. The kit is basically an additional fan, but no cooler (3.0l models only). Holden dealer would NOT fit a cooler to my 3.6 when I ordered it, even though they are available (police spec), so I will have to go aftermarket if I want one. Previous models recommend NOT towing in overdrive (4spd auto) but current models recommend towing in 'D' (autoshifting).
 

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Hi stubec16,

I have a genuine Holden 2100 kg towbar installed on my 3.6 litre 2008 Berlina. It was installed by a Holden dealer. You mention that I should have "cooling package" installed. Is there any way that I can tell by looking under the bonnet whether there is a transmission cooler already installed?

You also mention about not driving in overdrive when towing. My Berlina is a 4 speed automatic with Drive, 3rd, 2nd and 1st. Do you mean that when towing don't drive it in Drive but it's better to drive it in 3rd? I have been driving it in Drive but with Sports Mode button on
 
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