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VL, Holden or Nissan???

VSCLUBBIE

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Do you think that a VL can really be classed as a Commodore? OR should it be reconised as a Nissan?

After all, Imagine if they replaced the 5.0 litre for the VN onwards with a Toyota V8... You wouldn't class it a Commodore, surely!!! It would be like Ford replacing their 4.0 litre with a Lexus straight 6...We'd be baggin the crap out of them!
 

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just waht i was think, y dont we name the vs u drive a buick,

because the car has a engien from a diff company dosnt mean its not holden,
as what makes the car what it is, is the shape style apperance interor floorpan suspension etc, not just one thing makes the car what it is many parts make it
 
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Motors make there way into all sorts of cars mate. if someone makes a good one its can end up under the bonnets of multiple manafacturers vehicles.The 3.8 is a good example of Holden transplanting an engine from Buick.
If you got a heart transplant from a baboon would that make you a baboon??
 
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I thought a Falcon with a Lexus engine would be an improvment !!!


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Ravenblue said:
Motors make there way into all sorts of cars mate. if someone makes a good one its can end up under the bonnets of multiple manafacturers vehicles.The 3.8 is a good example of Holden transplanting an engine from Buick.
If you got a heart transplant from a baboon would that make you a baboon??
Clear example America made the GEN III holdens worked it and send it back badged as a Pontiac GTO work that one out....?

Izuzu make the Rodeo and classed as a Holden Rodeo

Even Opel,vaxhual Vectra is A Holden.... weird isn't it.

Clearly the Vl was in a big need of something different from Holden. In the 80's the 202 just wouldn't cut it for a 1986 model car so what were Holdens to do when there 3.8L buick was still in the new manufacturing and engineering stage for the VN New Model Commodore !.
 

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They are all sharing the parent company of GM. One big family of cars that interchage parts. Anything would be an improvment on the rubbish Ford au put out. Lexus would actually make them a good car :whistling

The V6 in the VN + cars are olny buick based. They had a lot of different stuff in them, they were not just imported transplants like LS1 and LS2 are.
They were designed off the buick platform and built to their own specs here in australia.

I think that the early V6's at least were a pale comparison to the buick version anyway. :p

Opel in europe were the inspiration for the early commodore body shape. They where almost identicle to look at. Do a google for "Opel Senator 1983".
Kain
 

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the holden v6's were pretty much bit for bit the same as a american buick LN3 v6. the main difference was the elbow and bigger throttlebody as most american ones were in FWD cars, so were east west placement and had space for a long tb neck. if kept the same, it would hit the firewall.

brackets are all the same, alternator is same, exhaust manifolds are obviously different for rwd application. few minor changes, but the majority of the motor was the same thing.

then the americans made the L27, which was pretty much a vn series 2/vp motor, but that had a different intake manifold while we retained the series 1 unit. they also got some crazy egr crap bolted to it, while we were lucky to keep our ecu controlled egr setup.

then they went to their series 3, which is what the ecotec is based on, but the intake manifold again are different to the american one.

etc, etc.
 

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You wont find many difference in the motor in VN compared to a Pontiac, Inlet manifold/Throttle/Exhaust that's about it. They got here on a boat just like the gen III, made in the USA
 

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The only reason that the exhaust and intake is different on the Holdens compared to, Chevy, GMC, Buick, Oldsmobile and Saturn is due to the fact that they were used in FWD cars. Not rear wheel.

I'm hoping that people will soon realise that the 3.8 is NOT a Buick engine. Infact it is a GM motor which owns Buick and the motor is used across the board in all platforms. INCLUDING Cadillacs that are not using the Northstar V8

The 3.8 motor also comes in a 3.1 and a 3.4 size.

Trust me, look through the different cars released with Buick Badge on them....you don't want to own one of them! Let alone associate your own car with one.
 
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