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JCCC Federal Election Polls

JCCC Federal Election Poll:

  • Australian Labor Party

    Votes: 10 14.1%
  • Liberal Party of Australia

    Votes: 43 60.6%
  • Liberal National Party (QLD)

    Votes: 2 2.8%
  • National Party of Australia

    Votes: 1 1.4%
  • Country Liberal Party (NT)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Australian Greens

    Votes: 3 4.2%
  • National Party (WA)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Independents

    Votes: 2 2.8%
  • Other

    Votes: 2 2.8%
  • Donkey Vote - Turn up but no vote

    Votes: 8 11.3%

  • Total voters
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Sash: I'll teach you to read love; the left has all the power. That is what I was referring to (you twit). If you can't read a frigging post properly then what hope do we have?
 

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Don't worry julie, the air is cleaner, commuting distances less, housing cheaper, less crime, enjoy your mcmansion, traffic snarls and mortgage stress (you go as far as you want but its all the same).....there will still be some leftie teachers lurking about (cue evil laugh)
 

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I have one uni degree (civil engineering) and am working my way through the other. I have owned a house, many cars, and changed career. I have been to rehab and even been involved with a cult (long time ago, now an atheist). I will probably kick you arse in general knowledge. I have lived more in my 28 years than many others do in 80. To suggest that I am immature because my worldview does not align with yours is insulting to say the least.

You have a degree in civil engineering, your drive a VX and are now doing a degree in teaching???

Wow... you have REALLY failed at life... One of my neighbours is a civil engineer, he's 30 so granted he's got a few years on you but he drives a brand new 6 series, his toy is a 2009 M3 and he's well on track to be retired by 40.

You have been presented with some fantastic opportunities and the civil engineering degree suggests you are very intelligent (not an easy degree to get into). But taking into account that you ended up in rehab and were part of a cult and have arrived at this point in your life in your current state, suggest you are not life/world smart.

Therefore, most of your comment on her are rather void on the topic of "what is best" for Australia since you seem to be struggling enough with your own life while most of those who you are critisising are doing quite well without even having one to uni.

Also, not sure what your comment about kicking people arse in genernal knowledge is about, this isn't trivia night.

In conclusion, just because you have had have cars, degrees, drugs and followed a cult doesn't qualify as having "lived" or having more life experience.

It just means you fail at life.

I didn't want to make this a "personal attack" thread but considering your efforts thus far, I think it's time for a reality check.

Been for a run, only a quick one (don't like running at night, we live on the edge of town where its dangerous to be a pedestrian at night). 3.32k, 17m 46s. wished for a better time, but, oh well. Saving myself for big 14.1k effort tomorrow.

Reaper; I never posted initially to pick a fight but you seem to lack the basic cognition to accept that people like me exist, along with millions of other australians with similar beliefs. Rather you reply with regurgitated scaremongering you probably got from this mornings daily telecrap (or whatever the dumbed-down tabloid paper is in your neck of the woods :)).

We have nothing further to discuss, you have made your points clear, as have I. Time will tell who is right and who is wrong. Nature is the great equaliser. I hope for all our sakes the future is a good one, whatever that may entail. At least we can all agree on that :)

Smartest thing you've said so far I think...

Gang conspiracy...well for expressing a legitimate and well reasoned point of view (at least from my perspective) I have been subject to stereotyping, name calling, and no tolerance whatsoever. I try to defend myself but noone frigging listens, and accepts an alternate point of view for what it is, not what they think it should be. Not to worry we lefties have balance of power. 2 more years! 2 more years! So there :).

You'd be surprised how many teachers don't know what they are teaching. Misconception of facts has long been an issue across all KLAs. However universities are now working to stamp it out. However the content of this debate is largely out of the scope of any K-6 syllabus. But I will repeat; the facts, as spelt out in curriculum documents (that both the left and right have played a part in) generally coincide with a leftist view of the world (albeit perhaps not an extreme one) that supports cultural tolerance and diversity, equity, being a good and knowledgeable citizen, and the utmost respect for the environment. Facts are not political; they are facts. Whether 2+2 is 4 is not a left/right/centre thing - it is. Whether or not Australia was invaded is not a left/right argument - by all defenitions it was (Any respectable historian will tell you that). The argument over climate change in a broad sense is no longer a left/right issue - the libs have a climate change policy (albeit a weak one), so ipso facto they agree with the current scientific consensus that global warming/climate change is manmade.

Now the other things.

Fair enough, wrong about abbot re: abortion, however I do not forsee an advancement of gay rights under his possible administration. He is a social and cultural reactionary. Nonetheless, I would not be surprised if abortion became criminalised under him....

Where are the links to your info? My info found via US EPA site suggests that all states will have some form of carbon permit system by end of year, with varying levels of stringence. Is india $1/tonne of carbon or $1/tonne of coal? two very different things. Again YOU need to back things up too, not pull numbers willy nilly out of the air (like I have done once or twice, sorry, I am a falliable human afterall, just like you).

It has been said that 'we have become a society that judges us more by what material goods we have, rather than what we actually do with our lives'. US president Jimmy Carter said that over 30 years ago, and unfortunately nothing has changed. I make my mark on the world by helping those less fortunate than myself - teaching underpriveleged kids how to read via smith family, raising funds for camp quality etc. In addition to teaching the next generations of children basic knowledge and skills to get them through school, work and adulthood. I elect not to leave my mark via a plethora of expensive toys. Just remember mate; you will be thought of and be remembered by what you do in your community and how you treat people, not by your bank balance.

I have a wide selection of greens paraphanelia left over from the last elections :D I require no more, thanks :)

You lied!!! *shocked*
 

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Reaper: settle petal, you'll get an aneurysm, what with your high pressure job and all.

Lol - still no argument of substance from yourself..... :rofl:

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For the record, not discussing politics, rather responding to last post.

Well If I stuck with it I'd be well in front of where i am now, but I made the error of doing engineering to begin with. From 2nd year uni first time round I was bored with it and hated it. This led to some negative lifestyle choices on my behalf. I was in public sector anyway; pay is nothing like private sector, and would never have retired early or even bought a prestige car...you can learn as much from life by doing all the wrong things, just as much as doing all the right things. In fact, going through hardship builds resilence and character, a wonderwhite life of no dramas challenges you with nothing, without the negative feedback required for growth. There's more than 1 way to skin a cat you know....

Just because I don't have a M3 or whatever does not mean my views are any less valid, that my current cognition is supect, or my life has been anything less than worthwhile. That is a really unhealthy attitude to have. However, I appreciate your kind comment re: intelligence. For the record I left the cult as soon as I twigged it was one; rehab was not Drug/Alcohol related, was related to depression, and was only there briefly till I started outpatient treatment (which has concluded). Fine life did not work out the way I had planned but it has made me who I am, and I like me. So do, many, many others for that matter. To suggest that because I am not materially well-off, or I have an older car (paid for, btw, with a SIGNIFICANT term deposit at not-for-profit building society :)) and especially because I have suffered from mental illness (as 20% of all australians, even really successful ones, do at some stage) I cannot constructively contribute to a civics-related conversation is undemocratic and discriminatory. Remember, my vote counts just as much as yours....deal with it!
 
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Lets face it reaper, the only argument you will find substance in is yours or one that agrees with yours. You, and everyone else, has the right to your opinions, as do I to mine.
 

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Lets face it reaper, the only argument you will find substance in is yours or one that agrees with yours. You, and everyone else, has the right to your opinions, as do I to mine.

I'm not talking about opinion. I'm talking about fact. You posted "facts" that under just a little bit of scrutiny turned out to be ABSOLUTE CRAP. You haven't challenged any of the facts I have posted, probably because they are exactly that - fact.

Of course you are free to hold your naive and misguided opinions. You strike me as a typical disciple of the Green/Socialist side of things as they have a nice answer that makes people feel good inside which is what you appear to crave. The trouble is that they don't stand up quite so well when they put those answers under the microscope.

I'm fine if what I post is shown to be wrong but just going on the "evil right wing capitalistic" rant is hardly proof. Neither is relative levels of education.

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Just saying.

You were presented with great opportunities and then through your choices ended up in a nothing special situation and taken a very tough route to arrive by the sound of it.

Others presented with similar/lesser opportunities have arrived at a much more favorable situation.

So who's opinion is more valuable?

The person who started with not much and achieved alot or the person who started with about the same and achieved little.

Because it seems that Labor is taking a very similar appoach to running our country as you have with your life.

Started out with plenty of opportunity (big surplus left my Liberals), but after a short time decided they didn't know what they wanted (Krudd axed and Gillard introduced), then went a little bit mental suggesting that everyone actually wants the carbon tax and now they are driving Australia down the roughest route towards a uninspiring end.

But hey, at the end of all this we ALL will have built our character right?
 

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Postion Vacant

Egocentric university student wanted for training as future national leader. Must possess the following:

Atheist, bi-sexual, late 20's, worldly and supercilious, able to leap tall buildings at a single bound. Tendency to fling insults without being able to take them in return. Possess the ability to sum people up from one or two internet posts, and categorise "non-believers"as imbeciles. Must be intent on corrupting future generations with his outstanding and superior knowledge on absolutely everything, and able to gloss over his mistakes with weak excuses.

Hey numb-nuts - your job's waiting for you.
 

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Hmmm... I think it's safe to say that this thread is not completely derailed and is utterly pointless now.

As much as I hate to, because I started it, but /Thread.

Thanks for playing kids, some good points, some bad points and definately some heated debate...

Cheers.
 
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