Reaper
Tells it like it is.
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Gang conspiracy...well for expressing a legitimate and well reasoned point of view (at least from my perspective) I have been subject to stereotyping, name calling, and no tolerance whatsoever. I try to defend myself but noone frigging listens, and accepts an alternate point of view for what it is, not what they think it should be. Not to worry we lefties have balance of power. 2 more years! 2 more years! So there .
Bwahahahaa - have a cry why don't you. You were the one wanting to "Bring it on". You said so here: http://forums.justcommodores.com.au...ccc-federal-election-polls-3.html#post1928152. The most democratic thing that should happen now we have (some) details of the tax is to call a full election of both houses of parliament to get a mandate. If the Green/Labor coalition win then pass the tax. If they don't well it should be put on in definite hold. I would be happy with re-introducing it when the worlds big players do introduce such a tax and then we should set ours in parity with those countries. 10 - 20x the market rate of our biggest competitors is just stupid.
Fair enough, wrong about abbot re: abortion, however I do not forsee an advancement of gay rights under his possible administration. He is a social and cultural reactionary. Nonetheless, I would not be surprised if abortion became criminalised under him....
WTF does gay rights have to do with abortion????
Where are the links to your info? My info found via US EPA site suggests that all states will have some form of carbon permit system by end of year, with varying levels of stringence. Is india $1/tonne of carbon or $1/tonne of coal? two very different things. Again YOU need to back things up too, not pull numbers willy nilly out of the air (like I have done once or twice, sorry, I am a falliable human afterall, just like you).
They are found at the relevant government web sites for the countries sited but overall summarized here: Carbon tax - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
India tax is $1 per ton of coal produced/imported into the country. Note that 1kg of coal produces roughly 2kg of C02 once burned (depending on the efficiencies of the power station) so your great example is roughly $0.50 per ton. Australias starting point of $23 gets worse and worse!!!!
The best I could find about China was from various news reports saying they might put on a carbon tax of AUS$1.40 - $2.80 starting 2012. As far as I can find this hasn't passed into law as of yet.
Unlike yourself, I don't pull numbers willy nilly out of the air. Show me which one is wrong and I'm happy to back it up. You have the typical Green mentality that stamps your foot on the moral high ground and hate it when you are called to account. It's becoming more and more evident why - Your arguments just don't stack up.
It has been said that 'we have become a society that judges us more by what material goods we have, rather than what we actually do with our lives'. US president Jimmy Carter said that over 30 years ago, and unfortunately nothing has changed. I make my mark on the world by helping those less fortunate than myself - teaching underpriveleged kids how to read via smith family, raising funds for camp quality etc. In addition to teaching the next generations of children basic knowledge and skills to get them through school, work and adulthood. I elect not to leave my mark via a plethora of expensive toys. Just remember mate; you will be thought of and be remembered by what you do in your community and how you treat people, not by your bank balance.
Cool story bro.
Reaper