'pedders or kings' vx berlina

[Killr6]

what size are your rims? will you be fitting a camber kit?

 

[crazywog]

yes again pedders is the best option coz kings is well known for sagging ive got pedders in mine and havent had a problem with blues and reds either for highet or how low it is, it just sits perfect.

 

[occtec]

what size are your rims? will you be fitting a camber kit?

Rims are 17" SS, was trying to avoid camber kit

 

[occtec]

yes again pedders is the best option coz kings is well known for sagging ive got pedders in mine and havent had a problem with blues and reds either for highet or how low it is, it just sits perfect.

Hey crazywog, what would you recommend from pedders range for my VX 17"SS rims sedan? Super lows ? Got any pics of your ride?

 

[crazywog]

well ive got super lows atm i dont have fotos as i dont have a camera fone just been lazy lol anyway yeh id say super lows as they sit perfect dont get ultra lows as they can get u defected sits 2 low.

 

[yxyx64]

OP, do you get that even with ultra low suspension the total available suspension travel remains the same (fore the sake of the explanation) it is just that most of the travel has been compressed and used up while just sitting in the driveway. This means that the little bit of travel left must deal with what 2 or even 3 times the travel used to deal with. This means it MUST be harsher or it will run out of travel (bind) all the time with bad results. The lower you go the harder it gets.

For you to be satisfied about harsness between brands and models you must obtain deflection (compression) information from the makers that will tell you, at a certain compressed spring length that you think will correlate to your new ride height spring length, what is the force required to compress the spring by a certain amount (say 1mm is usual). Then compare the results. This is the compression rate of the spring but the problem is we use variable rate springs (hence you have to define a compressed length to get meaningful numbers).

Of course, this info is never available. Makers use HD and HDD for load applications like towing or utes where the expectation is that they will carry loads more often. These are therefore harder than alternatives AT THE SAME RIDE HEIGHT. When people complain that when they load up the back seat with mates the springs sag then this is what they were actually designed to do. If you always carry mates then you need HD HDD so they do not compress as much for the same load. Spring makers are actually pretty smart people. If you really know what you want your car to do they can help you.

 

[occtec]

well ive got super lows atm i dont have fotos as i dont have a camera fone just been lazy lol anyway yeh id say super lows as they sit perfect dont get ultra lows as they can get u defected sits 2 low.

Thanks crazywog, which kings would you recommend for the rear? The HD'S or SLHD'S? Will have kids in the back seats approx 20% of the time

 

[Full Spectrum]

What about lovells. Better options in spring size. And better customer service. I've been told from a reputable suspension business that only lovells offers new springs when damaged and pays for the labour cost. That's got to count for something.

 

[glenn l]

kings is aussies leading spring maker. in fact i dont think there is anyone else, kings make lovells and pedders springs.....just they get shipped to lovells and pedders so they can make some cash.

this is not correct, kings are made in near the gold coast QLD, lovells are made in minto NSW and pedders are made in keysborough VIC, the only springs pedders have made from an out side company are the vq-vz rear irs coils that are made by the same company that make them for holden, tenneco in NZ. kings do make for other companys but not lovellls or pedders.

 

[occtec]

OP, do you get that even with ultra low suspension the total available suspension travel remains the same (fore the sake of the explanation) it is just that most of the travel has been compressed and used up while just sitting in the driveway. This means that the little bit of travel left must deal with what 2 or even 3 times the travel used to deal with. This means it MUST be harsher or it will run out of travel (bind) all the time with bad results. The lower you go the harder it gets.

For you to be satisfied about harsness between brands and models you must obtain deflection (compression) information from the makers that will tell you, at a certain compressed spring length that you think will correlate to your new ride height spring length, what is the force required to compress the spring by a certain amount (say 1mm is usual). Then compare the results. This is the compression rate of the spring but the problem is we use variable rate springs (hence you have to define a compressed length to get meaningful numbers).

Of course, this info is never available. Makers use HD and HDD for load applications like towing or utes where the expectation is that they will carry loads more often. These are therefore harder than alternatives AT THE SAME RIDE HEIGHT. When people complain that when they load up the back seat with mates the springs sag then this is what they were actually designed to do. If you always carry mates then you need HD HDD so they do not compress as much for the same load. Spring makers are actually pretty smart people. If you really know what you want your car to do they can help you.

Point taken, thought as much. Thanks buddy!