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Speed Limits - An Expert says 'Raise them'

Should Highway, Freeway and Toll road speed limits be raised?

  • Yes

    Votes: 34 82.9%
  • No

    Votes: 7 17.1%

  • Total voters
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There is very little interest in increasing road safety only in increasing revenue. If road safety was the goal there would be much better driver training and concentration on behaviours other than speeding.

Yep, totally agree and I think you can probably find many posts of mine that state exactly that.

I'm still of the total belief that speed cameras = revenue source and have very little impact on safety and speeding because the fine arrives some weeks later.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter how good the roads are or how safe the vehicle is if you have a monkey behind the wheel and I see plenty of monkeys on the road every day.
 

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Yep, totally agree and I think you can probably find many posts of mine that state exactly that.

I'm still of the total belief that speed cameras = revenue source and have very little impact on safety and speeding because the fine arrives some weeks later.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter how good the roads are or how safe the vehicle is if you have a monkey behind the wheel and I see plenty of monkeys on the road every day.

In NSW in 2014-2015 cops and cameras netted a total of $140 million from speeders. (56 million from police fines, and 82 million from cameras)

The NSW state budget is $50 billion or so. A total of $180 million is spent on specialist homelessness services (the field I work in) - to put things into perspective, the revenue from cameras is tiny.

In 2013-2014 the speeding fine total was $ 160 million, so that is a 15% decrease.

Even if it does come later a ticket still has the possible effect of 'I have 3 points on my licence, better watch my speed'. Every time I have got a ticket it has curtailed my lead footed behaviour for the next little while. A US study has shown that giving a driver a ticket will reduce his/her risk of a crash by about 30% over the next 6-12 months. That being said, in NSW at least, if you speed past a fixed camera serves you right, they are well sign posted in advanced - obviously not paying attention then.
 

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NZ is probably a bit different and the revenue from speed cameras go into a the regular government slush fund rather than into roads/safety/policing so it is just another revenue source.

No demerit points here either so at the end of the day it's just another bill in the mail.

What really gets me is now we have those special public holiday week(end)s where they reduce the speeding tolerances, Xmas just gone they did it over a whole month. The stupid thing is, more people have been dying during these reduced speed public holidays than previous years without em. In NZ even though average speeds are down the number of tickets issued is up as is the road toll over the last couple of years.

The almost single minded focus on speed is a failure. When ever there is a major accident the first comment from the police is always "speed and alcohol". I'm kinda over it and the statistics would agree with me.
 
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I remember when the Liberal govt in NSW said that they would reduce the number of stationary speed cameras. From recollection, I think they only took a few non profitable ones off while others remained. Yes the Stationary cameras have warning signs & also my sat-nav lets me know where they are too.

When I lived in Sydney some roads posted ridiculous variable speed limits ranging from 50-70kph. Some within a stretch of only a couple of kilometres. I wont mention the school zones. Even some roads & back streets, you use common sense on the speed you do. Some narrow streets were posted as 50kph but when you have cars parked on either side on a narrow street, you're doing less than that, especially when you take the pedestrian variable into challenge.

Highways (motorways) are a different kettle of fish. While some are asking for the speed limit to be raised on them, they tend to forget about the other variable which is wildlife. I'm sure we've seen photos on the net where someone has hit a roo & done some considerable damage to the car, injuring it's passengers & also the loss of life on the roo. Where I live now there's a ton of wildlife. Night time driving even at 70kph (90-100kph) zones with no street lights can be dangerous with wildlife hanging around. Even if you swerve & don't hit them, you end up in a ditch or your car hugging a tree with injuries or fatalities. I agree that modern cars can brake better than older cars, it's the reaction of the person behind the wheel that counts. I'm not saying that speed is a cause or failure, I'm saying that it's other variables.

Today while driving home from the supermarket, I was on a roundabout which I had right of way. An SUV driven by a female decided to run the risk & nearly took off the front end of my ute. Had I not braked with good reaction, I'm sure that the front end would have been off my ute & causing injury to myself, her & her occupants. But what peeved me off more than anything was, that she had her mobile phone glued to her head & she had young children in the back and not concentrated on what she was doing. You can put a million speed cameras on a 1km stretch of road to help keep traffic at the correct speed, but there is nothing properly in place to keep track of the mindless idiots that are on their mobile phone while driving & not concentrating what they are supposed to be doing. We've seen the ads on TV repeatedly about using your mobile while driving, but yet a lot of people use their phone whilst driving without the use of a bluetooth system or just plain pulling to the side of the road to answer a call or text.

Single minded focus on speed is always to blame when we see road fatalities during public holidays. You never see police say "Oh he/she answered her mobile & lost concentration".

My father borrowed my Vitara back in 2005 to pick my mum up from work. The weather was atrocious with heavy rain, lousy visibility, a few flooded roads etc. As my dad was driving to the conditions at the time & driving slow on Botany Rd Mascot, a young woman driving a Landcruiser with a bullbar slammed up his backside. Dad noticed that she was on her mobile & did not drive carefully in the bad conditions. Both my parents suffered injuries. When my father gave his statement to the police, he told them that she was on her phone, not concentrating on the current road conditions. The young woman & her passengers (who did not suffer any injuries) denied this until she was asked for her phone to confirm the timestamp of her last call. She got booked for negligent driving. From what dad told me was that the cop got peeved off at her for the accident she caused. It wasn't speed that caused it, but user error & the mobile phone in the hand variable. I don't know if she lost points from her licence but she caused my parents a lot of pain from their injuries.

if the speed limit on NSW highways are 110kph, that's fine, doesn't worry me. If they wanted to raise the speed limit on certain sections, that's fine as well, but you'll always find a user on the roads that are distracted by technology or by passengers in their vehicle. Use common sense & let those who want to get home to their families get there without mishap.
 

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I tend to agree, a couple of years they banned the use of mobile phones whilst driving your vehicle unless you have a hands free kit. I see people using there phones every day and not to just take a call, most or texting or messaging of some sort with there eyes focused down on the phone in there laps because they are trying to hide what they are doing but it's so bloody obvious.

I think part of the problem is that police have an exemption from this law and I regularly see cops talking on and using mobiles so it doesn't really set a good example for the rest of the population!

One of my pet peeves is red light runners, I can safely say that on average I see it happen at least once every time I'm out in the car. To put it mildly, red light running is rampant here in NZ.
 
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I don't know if NSW Police are exempted from using their phones while driving without a handsfree kit but I've seen a few do it.

My peeve is roundabouts as most do not know how to use them. It's very simple technology, so easy to use & keep the traffic flowing but no one gives way to those who have right of way on them. The Give Way signs are a giveaway at a roundabout. Where I used to live, we have the worst roundabout in the country. It was common for accidents to occur & it's a large one. The smaller ones are so easy but again it's those who disregard the rules, their safety & other road users that cause the problems.
 

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I think part of the problem is that police have an exemption from this law and I regularly see cops talking on and using mobiles so it doesn't really set a good example for the rest of the population!

See cops on mobiles all the time and not wearing seatbelts either

Just a pic that did the rounds up here
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Don't really have an issue with police using mobile phones while driving if it is an emergency situation. At least most cops are better drivers than the average monkey out there. It does become an abuse of power and sets a bad example when if they do it to phone home or order a pizza. I also see things like putting P plates on unmarked cop cars in an attempt to disguise them as unnecessary, setting a bad example and a good recipe for getting the public offside.
 

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Speed limits are artificially low to cater for the lowest common donominator. They are set for the worst car in the worst condition. In Victoria it's just rediculusiy artificially low to the point where it's dangerous. With only 3kmh tolerance you have to constantly monitor your speed. Also doing 100kmh for a long stretch in a capable car makes you sleepy.

They probably should look at higher limits for dry conditions vs wet/night 130/110 would make sence. Give also people 10% so u don't get a frivolous ticket until about 145.

This would actually improve the skill base of drivers as they would be exposed to higher speeds more often.

I drive in the outback often and you sometimes give it a quick squirt for 5-10ks or so to 160ish but u normally settle for 120-130 anyway for fuel consumption.

The silly thing here is there is no annual testing of cars for rwc status. Once u have plates u can drive on bald tyres etc and often you fly under the radar. If they had a 'lite' rwc requirement every year as part of rego they would raise extra revenue from this and the safety aspect would be improved more than overpolicing of speed.

All drivers and cars are not created equal so it should be possible to have an advanced licence so u could have a greater threshold of speeding before u get fined.

Maybe as a trade off increase the fine for phone talking and red light running to more. When driving in peak hour I think at least 1 in 3 people are either speaking or texting on the phone which is more dangerous than a frivolous 10kmh of overspeeding
 

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There is a proposal in Brisbane to decrease speed limits in residential areas to 30kmh. The proposal was apparently put forward by cycling groups. Next they will want someone walking in front of your car waving a red flag!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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