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Discussion in 'VE Holden Commodore (2006 - 2013)' started by naf33n, Aug 3, 2006.

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  1. naf33n

    naf33n go

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    on the hsv website(hsv.com.au) it say 17 days 9 hours to go till the new E series hsv is released.

    cant wait
     
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    :w00t: w00t
     
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    Now this is something to really look forward to... VE is awesome and according to the press its lived up to its hype and handles and drives like a dream... Cant wait to see the HSV versions!!!
     
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    16 days and counting
     
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    jules we like the bun

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    call me a traitor but i'm not that excited, they will just put a few bits of plastic on it.
     
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    Scotty_Doesn't_Know Don't Tell Scotty...

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    No I'm with you... For the marginally better performance you get and the few extra bits of stuck on body kit and badges, the premium for buying a HSV really isn't worth it.

    It will really only be people who are performace/luxury enthusiasts with money to do nothing better with who will be in the HSV market soon... Their affordability is gone in my opinion and their practicality was almost never there to start with.

    [edit] Marginal is a matter of personal perspective. No, taking half a second less to get from 0 - 100 than an SSV is not a significant increase in performance to me. Especially not for an extra $20,000. I mean seriously, what can you do on public roads with more than 270kw? Actually, what can you do with more than 200kw? The Alloytec V6 is more than enough power for me... And still more than the first VT SS V8 Commodores that only had 185kw.
    Torque is a much more interesting performace figure than kw I think. Holden have the potetial to make a diesel engine with better torque figures than ANY of their V8s.
     
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    to start of with goin of vz prices an ss cost around 50000 brand new. and a clubsport cost around 60000 brand new. that only roughly a 10000 dollar difference between them and you get more power, more features, better handling, bigger wheels, better seats, better instrument cluster, bigger more aggressive body kit, more street cred

    also better resale value an i no that means alot to you because ive seen you complain about it before

    so for all that id say if you can afford the roulghy 10 grand difference between the ss and clubsport it well worth it
     
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    :rofl: That is the funniest **** i have heard!

    A few bits of plastic.........


    Righty o then!
     
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    Scotty_Doesn't_Know Don't Tell Scotty...

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    All that is matter of opinion. More features? What features would they be? Yes more power and better handling but it is marginal. Bigger wheels? Whoopee! Can get them anywhere (or will be able to soon). Better seats? True... Better instrument cluster? Matter of opinion. Bigger more agressive body kit? More weight, more drag, sometimes ugly (VX Clubsport wing). Street cars don't drive fast enough for any aero performance advantages. More street cred? LOL!!! If I was buying a car for street cred it wouldn't be ANYTHING with a Holden or HSV badge on it...

    Better resale value, sure but you still lose 20 - 25 percent in the first year!

    Bottom line is, if you like HSV and want one and can afford one, go for it!
     
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    1. bigger wheels would cost you at least three grand with decent tyres(bridgestone or whatever hsv uses these days) so theres a fair saving. and i would say changing wheels is one of the first things to do for at least 70 percent of car holden modifiers

    2.as far as features go its all the little things that add up gauges/ dash colours and materials.

    3. with the bigger body kit if the car isnt going fast enough for it to cause down force it isnt goin fast enough to cause any decent amount of drag as far as fuel consuption etc. also im sure many people would agree the vx body kit is deffently one of the better looking hsv kits including the wing

    4. a HSV would have more street cred and on paper then most cars you would see on a normal day in australia. show me a car where you get 297kws in a car that car fit a family, can tow a trailer/ caravan and still flog most cars on the road and track for around 60 grand. there aint many out there.
     
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    I beleive another extra option that will be on the new HSV's is the hydraulic controlled suspension.
    From what I have heard this is a major jump in suspension technology and control.
     
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    yeah i heard about that as well. didnt the vy gts have some adjustable suspension thing aswell
     
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    if i had the money spare i wouldnt think twice about getting on. if its just a few bits of plastic, then id still be satisfied.
     
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    I believe this is something totally different.
    The suspension setup will be similar to something they have in the Corvette.
    They have designed the suspension with this in mind so don't be too surprised when this setup becomes available in the Commodore in a few years time.
     
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    ucwepn America just kicked in yo

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    Its what aussie kids aspire to owning (mostly) and its not an unrealistic dream to have like say a ferrari or porsche. Also is a limited edition and is very collectable as well as being a complete package that is track ready if thats your type of thing (track days). Hsv have done all the suspension and power tweaks for you so you get increased handling over the normal model and better power and torque spread and figures. And a more performance friendly warranty ( I would hope so anyway)

    I just want one.
     
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    Scotty_Doesn't_Know Don't Tell Scotty...

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    Speak for yourself...

    My favourite Ferrari of all time is the 1988 328 GTS, red of course. I said I would own one by the time I'm 30... And I mean it!

    I also said when I was 17 (the year the VT was released) that I would own a VT before I was 21. My family and friends laughed but then I owned one outright when I was 20 :D

    http://www.users.on.net/~kn079/VT_2.jpg

    Only you can determine how realistic your dreams are...
     
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    Rombles HSVDT #1

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    And how close are you to your Ferrari dream?
    Like ucwepn said, a VT is much less of an "unrealistic dream" than a Ferrari.
    If you achieve it, though, then I will take my hat off to you.
     
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    Scotty_Doesn't_Know Don't Tell Scotty...

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    Depends on priorities. I have two investment properties... If I sold one, I could buy a 1988 Ferrari 328 GTS outright for about $80,000 with the capital gain I would make. However, my priority at the moment is to get a few more properties using the equity in them first, then the Ferrari will come... :D
     
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    jules we like the bun

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    ferraris can be pretty cheap to buy, even less than a new HSV in many cases. whether they're cheaper to run is another question.... in their defence, i've heard anecdotal evidence HSVs are not the most reliable of vehicles either.
     
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    ferraris can be cheap but they also slow. (compared to any decent sports car). according to supercars.net the 1986 328 GTS only has 193.9 kw / 260 bhp @ 7000 rpm, and weights 1438 kg / 3170 lbs. 0 - 60 mph 6.0 seconds.
    its got a nice badge though

    oh and i owned my lancer($12000) when i was 16 and i owned my sv6 when i was 18
     
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