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Did Commodore kill Holden?

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Can't just blame Abbott, this started with John Button back in 1983.
Every successive government brought the tariffs down to make the car makers in Aus get competitive globally.
John Howard actually froze the reductions for 5 years. By 2012 our Auto industry had the lowest tartiffs in the world - not much protection really.
All Abbott did was stop the handouts in 2013.
So you can blame the successive governments since 1983.
You can also blame the public,
Instead of a Territory people bought imported Klugers, Cx7s, X-trails, Santa Fe's etc
Instead of a Falcadore people bought imported Passats, Audis, Mazda 6's, Subarus etc
It's us that killed the Aussie car industry.
(I have 2 Commodores in my driveway and 2 Falcons prior to those, FYI)

All true points. Commodore did not kill Holden. The management at GM and the buying public killed Holden. Commodore would never have survived no matter what it had under the bonnet or where it was made.

Jump on the VFACTS site and look at the breakdown of sales figures and you will see the huge decline in large sedans over a number of years and the rapid growth in SUV's in all size segments. GM never had a decent SUV to sell in any segment and their sales suffered. HOLDEN was the Commodore car company for years so people would not even consider their product will looking for a new car unless they were already in a Holden. So lack of thought and forward planing on behalf of GM management is the true answer.

As far as ZB goes it actually sold well if compared to it's true competition of Mazda 6, Ford Mondeo and private sector sales of Toyota Camry.
 

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Can't just blame Abbott, this started with John Button back in 1983.
Every successive government brought the tariffs down to make the car makers in Aus get competitive globally.
John Howard actually froze the reductions for 5 years. By 2012 our Auto industry had the lowest tartiffs in the world - not much protection really.
All Abbott did was stop the handouts in 2013.
So you can blame the successive governments since 1983.
You can also blame the public,
Instead of a Territory people bought imported Klugers, Cx7s, X-trails, Santa Fe's etc
Instead of a Falcadore people bought imported Passats, Audis, Mazda 6's, Subarus etc
It's us that killed the Aussie car industry.
(I have 2 Commodores in my driveway and 2 Falcons prior to those, FYI)

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The duty rate dropped again 2005 and 2010

And this is from an extract from Wikipedia

The tariff rate on new completely-built-up passenger motor vehicles indicates tariff reforms of the last thirty years. This tariff item has been the single most important item in the Australian Customs Tariff since General Motors Holden began assembly of motor vehicles in 1948. In the late 1980s the MFN tariff rate on this item had been 45 per cent and by 2000 it had been reduced to 15 per cent. Then it was reduced to in 10 per cent in 2005 and to 5 per cent in 2010. This is the current rate (apart from the tax on luxury cars). As the level of protection was reduced the number of companies assembling vehicles steadily declined. At the peak of the industry there were more than 10 companies assembling motor vehicles in Australia. From 2016 there were only three – Ford, Toyota and Holden. All three ceased production by the end of 2017. From the outset this industry had never been competitive at world prices and its existence depended upon high levels of protection. Australia now imports virtually all its vehicles, many from countries that protect their local vehicle markets – like Thailand – with import duties of up to 80% on imported motor vehicles.[4]Severe over-capacity in the global vehicle market – probably exacerbated by high levels of protection and government subsidies in exporting countries – has led to vigorous price competition in Australia's imported vehicle market, benefitting Australian consumers.
 

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The duty rate dropped again 2005 and 2010

And this is from an extract from Wikipedia

The tariff rate on new completely-built-up passenger motor vehicles indicates tariff reforms of the last thirty years. This tariff item has been the single most important item in the Australian Customs Tariff since General Motors Holden began assembly of motor vehicles in 1948. In the late 1980s the MFN tariff rate on this item had been 45 per cent and by 2000 it had been reduced to 15 per cent. Then it was reduced to in 10 per cent in 2005 and to 5 per cent in 2010. This is the current rate (apart from the tax on luxury cars). As the level of protection was reduced the number of companies assembling vehicles steadily declined. At the peak of the industry there were more than 10 companies assembling motor vehicles in Australia. From 2016 there were only three – Ford, Toyota and Holden. All three ceased production by the end of 2017. From the outset this industry had never been competitive at world prices and its existence depended upon high levels of protection. Australia now imports virtually all its vehicles, many from countries that protect their local vehicle markets – like Thailand – with import duties of up to 80% on imported motor vehicles.[4]Severe over-capacity in the global vehicle market – probably exacerbated by high levels of protection and government subsidies in exporting countries – has led to vigorous price competition in Australia's imported vehicle market, benefitting Australian consumers.
Either way we got well n truly screwed
 

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yes and I bet the current government is thinking **** we have to rely on so many other countries now for our manufacturing.
 

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I know nothing about Aussie politics so I would be interested to know why the decision was made to step down tariffs. Surely someone back then realized it would erode the Australian manufacturing base in certain markets to the point of unsustainability?
 

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ALP Senator John Button was the guru behind the "Button Plan", Google it, it is too involved to discuss here and has been done to death in various threads and forums. It was supposed to be a good idea at the time, and was embraced by Govts, manufacturers, analysts, and every other academic capable of accurately foreseeing our golden future.
Australia produced its last electric light globe in Newcastle on 24 April 2002. A national disaster, just like 87 years earlier, to the day.
We may make candles, but don't even make matches here anymore to light them.
The whole wind down was like a dripping tap on a water tank, nobody notices until the tank is empty.
 

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if holden had been given the right to build the 3 cars that had been designed (suv, sedan, etc) and exported to on the right platform it would have survived i think but as you say --ad nauseum!!
 

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Lots of interesting comments here and most spot-on in a factual way. Four things killed Holden; the Button plan, Tony Abbott and his mate Joe Hockey, US unions and the main culprit...the CEO of GM, Mary Barra. GM changed a lot after the GFC and its upper management was no longer full of "car guys" like Lutz who understood car engineering. They looked at the profits they made in China and slowly decided to kill off their unprofitable divisions...hence South African GM died, Opel was sold to PSA and Holden was given the death of a thousand cuts.

I want all of us to understand something quite fundamental about Holden... By the time the VE was being planned Holden's Aussie engineers were probably the best rear-wheel drive platform designers in the world, bar none. The VE/F were truly world-class cars and were far better than anything GM US were producing short of the Cadillac CTS, etc. Holden's build quality piddled all over their North American counterparts. In fact Holden's quality was almost on par with their Chinese GM/SAIC division (and that was pretty good). The US government...prodded by American union lobbyists, made sure that GM could only import Holdens in small numbers via their Gas guzzler tax and other disincentives. If GM had offered the complete Holden range in the US the punters would have bought them by the truckload. Americans were not pleased they missed out on the ute and sportwagon at all (there's a US company which actually buys VE/F utes and converts them to LHD to satisfy that market). Problem was such sales would have dented Chevy Malibu sales making the US unions very unhappy.

Add all of the above to the extreme economic rationalist policy of Tony Abbott and you have Holden dying slowly. The Button plan started the death of Australian automotive manufacturing...Abbott was the final nail in the coffin. The Button plan had some good aspects but the forced model sharing was a huge failure and actually cost the companies a load of money. In the main part the whole fiasco was designed to make cars cheaper for average Aussies with scant attention being paid to the long term effects on the viability of the local manufacturers.

Now, thanks to the Covid crisis, things are getting interesting. The government has realised what a huge mistake it was to give up literally the entire manufacturing capacity of the nation. Losing the car industry meant we are now beholding to foreign supply chains which can be interdicted by the Chinese navy on a whim. Also the loss of the car industry means that should there be a war we have stuff-all heavy industrial plants to convert to war production. Bad all round! We have lost our pharmaceutical manufacturing (generics are mostly made in India or China...read the label on your box of generic Ibuprofen) and even our ability to make important medical equipment. This MUST change and it is up to us, the general public...the voters...to make sure this situation is made right. Obviously we cannot go back to the halcyon days of the 60s when we made everything ourselves due to high tariff walls but we need to insist that industries important to our strategic survival return here.

We CAN make cars in this country. Sir Lawrence Hartnett proved that to the bigwigs at GM back in the early 40s and I wish he was still alive today to advise the Australian government or someone like him who has faith in our abilities as a people. If you are interested in how Larry Hartnett turned Holden around in the 30s and 40s watch these short documentaries on Youtube:


 
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P.S. A lot of ex-Holden and Ford engineers are working for a Vietnamese car manufacturer who has reportedly expressed an interest in buying Lang Lang Proving Ground. Google "Vinfast".
 
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