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Discussion in 'The Pub' started by Nitro_X, Dec 15, 2015.

  1. Nitro_X

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    Thought these posts would be better in their own thread :)

    There's a lot of technology in that Holden plant, we could probably buy it all for a good price.
    Anyone wanna co-invest with me and start our own vehicle brand??
    LOLz

    Maybe we could convert the engine facility to make electric motors and power cells to build performance electric vehicles...

    The world will progress to full electric vehicles, I have no doubt, and as much as I love the sound of a nice V8, V10 or V12, combustion engines are caveman technology.

    Electric motors produce maximum torque from near zero rpm, the acceleration is fricken awesome!
    Plus another advantage of electric vehicles are zero exhaust emissions which means cleaner air, especially in big cities.

    Considering the big difference in purchase price and maturity of the two technologies, the Tesla is impressive...
    Tesla S P85D - $US80,000-$US120,000 | Lamborghini Adventador - $390,000 | Ferrari 485 - $240,000





     
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    ps
    The $80,000 - $120,000 for the Tesla model S was the US price, current AU$ for the P85D looks to be AU$201,000
    (imported, which includes a $26,000 luxury car tax and $8695 local stamp duty!!)
    Estimated petrol savings over 5 years = $14,000

    Tesla Australia Price


    Woot!!

     
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    When I can get 500+ K's from one charge and have charging locations on every corner, then come back and see me.
     
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    Tesla are claiming up to 400 mile (640kms) on one charge, probably less in real world driving, but the battery technology is improving quickly.

    Regarding charge stations:

    Tesla Store

    Superchargers

    Electric vehicle charging network by ChargePoint
     
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    also whilst hi-performance EV's like Tesla are almost unmatched from 0-100kph, as can be seen in the videos above, they loose power at higher RPM. Whereas a petrol engine is the opposite.

    You can see the strengths in both powerplants. Both the Tesla and Lambo apparently make the same sort of hp. Yet Tesla stomps the Lambo from standing start to maybe 160kph, but after that the Lambo destroys the Tesla. The V8 Supercar wastes the first 50 metres in wheel spin (2WD vs AWD) but once it gets traction, starts reeling the Tesla in, but it's only a very short run so the V8 doesn't get to use it's potential. Would be interesting comparing the 2 cars down conrod up to 300kph!

    Having said that, Tesla is definitely impressive for anything petrol or electric powered, in particular the launch from the mark. And realistically the Tesla's optimum power range is going to be far more useful on the street. EV's will be the future (unfortunately for us petrol power lovers), Tesla has done amazing things to make electric cars practical and desirable both as daily commuters and hi-performance cars.
     
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    And when the P85D is about a third the price or less (currently $240k on the road in Vic). Then I'll take one over a HSV.
     
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    3:35 - something Electric will NEVER give us unfortunately.
     
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    agreed, although unfortunately we are a dying breed.
    The newer generations don't seem to appreciate the sound....

    I have a 30 year old brother (he must have been adopted!!) who is big into the Tesla. He scoffs when I mention the sound of a V8 on full noise, claiming that I'm 'old' and that my kind are only a minority and fast disappearing. He's only interested in the performance figures and running costs, no longer being dictated by oil companies etc. I guess that's a sensible, logical view, but it's also a cold view, no passion...... If that's the future, then I fear our hobby will also start to die as EV's become more common
     
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    I agree and disagree. Our passion needs to evolve, not die.
     
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    I'm just waiting for someone to release drop-in EV conversions that'll offer around 200kW so I can repower the VS. I'd build a setup myself but, well, you know, monkeyskills.
     
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    I recently watched 2 videos on a '68 Mustang that was converted to electric power. It is built with speed as the goal so only has like 50 mile range. But its speed/torque figures are astounding!

    This first video is a overview of the car and a small interview with the creator:



    This second video is about it breaking the speed record for a street electric car at the texas mile:

    [video=dailymotion;x2libyz]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2libyz[/video]


    Here is an article going into the story in a bit more depth: The Verge-Zombie 222 Electric 1968 Mustang

    My concerns are range and power. This car has convinced me that power will not be an issue.
     
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    Did you read any of the previous posts? Tesla has it in spades with regards to power AND range. Just need it to cost a **** load less and for rapid charge points to be readily available. Where you can drive from Melb to Sydney for example, and a rapid charge station can charge the car is roughly the same time as it takes to have a toilet, food and drink break.
     
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    Yes I had read the previous posts. Am aware of Tesla's claims, but like you said the range is only so good if you have a charging point available which is not readily available outside of cities, as far as I know. My daily route from Newcastle to Maitland doesn't seem to have any.

    Price is still way up there. Though as with everything this will fall as it becomes more widely accepted and people get over the "But that v8 grumble" mindset. (Edit: I too like the sound of a v8, but with the fact that oil will run out, not exactly something we can be too attached to)

    Mainly posted to share some cool info on the technology that is being discussed. I personally for electric cars like the idea of converting a favourite car from petrol to electric power. Like the video did with a Mustang, not really a fan of any of the Tesla body shapes.
     
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    Tesla's claims? WTF man. It's real world. It's NOW! Performance AND range.

    Retrofitting existing service stations with rapid charging stations is a no brainer and simple. Once prices come down, demand will go up and the need for charging stations will force installation. Of course they also charge off a standard 240v power socket - it just takes longer. So for a daily drive for most people, they're already a winner (other than the purchase price of course).

    I'm no fanboy or anything but if the P85D was less than $100,000 on the road I'd buy one tomorrow. And for my interstate travel just factor in recharging time.
     
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    hahaha....love this guy, he's an old petrol head that rekindled his passion with electric power!
     
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    You're right, wrong word.

    Not sure it's an informative read, glad he likes it. Hadn't even thought about the stereo advantages, he's right but. I am constantly adjusting volume to account for speed (highway etc)

    Yea this is definitely a winning route for daily drivers. $100,000 is still way out of my current price range, but say in comparison to the cost of a brand new HSV, if the Tesla's we're under $100,000 it is achievable. Future is here! Give it 5 - 10 years and EV will be more common on the streets hopefully, and I do not mean the Prius, cause they ugly.

    Yea, can tell he loves burning rubber and going fast. Very passionate about it.
     
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    I have nothing against electric cars; my beef is with the Tesla company itself. I have absolutely no respect from a company that takes Gov money to survive. Is a very political car, heavily supported by the current administration. There is a heap of other issues like... who pays for the electricity, is free for the drivers. Takes a long time to get half a charge and in real wold the range sucks.

    The one that cracks me up is, about people unplugging each other cars because not enough charge stations in the parking lot.

    Is a rich-boy-douche-bag-toy-mobile than anything else.
     
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    skydrol, there are very few, if any industries these days that aren't subsidised by government.

    I'm against BIG government, government is just getting too big, too bloated and inefficient, bureaucrats stick their fingers and noses into every aspect of our lives these days, more rules, regulations and taxes than you can poke a stick at!
     
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    Any car company that makes electric cars does not looks not even close to the Tesla (Fisker design) Model S. Fisker failed because was a foreigner car company to the US. Honestly, I despise Tesla, not electric cars. Each taxpayer owns a piece of a Tesla and does not even know it.

    Yes, I do agree 100% that electric motors are more efficient than internal combustion. But to make an electric car, the cost and even the carbon footprint to manufacture the battery, that is taxed and penalized so much is even higher. Yet, they sell the so called Carbon Credit (extortion $$) because of a 0 emission car. Is a scam to high heavens.

    Guys, try to build your own. I tried it and is not cost effective with today's technology.

    The technology always finds its way, is not to the Gov to give them a free pass and/or throw money to their problems.
     

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