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[Sabbath']

True. There is a local four wheel drive used car specialist who advertises on the radio pretty frequently in Newcastle. One of the "actors" in that ad is a woman who says she wanted her kids to be safe in the car so she went to this dealer to get a 4WD. That mentality exists pretty strongly, yet many 4WD's are far less safe than normal sedans or wagons.

Id rather be T-Boned while driving the cruiser than the VY though.


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[gossie]

The sort of women and men who drive 4WDs have them because they think it makes them look good, and wealthy. It really just shows how sad they are.

 

[Calaber]

What add is that? I'm in newy too
Must admit Newcastle radio is some of the worst I've ever heard. It's where dj's come to retire and they are all owned by the same company so they don't even try to compete.

Can't recall the name of the dealer but he's at Raymond Terrace or thereabouts. Must confess I never listen to the ads much, but when the woman started speaking about getting a 4WD for her kids' safety, I nearly choked, because it's such a misleading statement. Obviously, some of the latest and larger 4WD's are pretty safe, but the propensity for them to fall over can be a worry.

Just as an aside, I had to get an assessment from a panel beater today for damage to the rear bumper on the Captiva. The culprit? A small, middle aged woman driving a Nissan Pathfinder, fitted with the standard (and obviously vital) railway track bulbar. The environment? A shopping centre car park. Nissan 1, Captiva 0.

Gees, I love female drivers and large 4WD's, especially in car parks. They just don't mix.

 

[Calaber]

Id rather be T-Boned while driving the cruiser than the VY though.


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Yeah, I think that's what a lot of family buyers think, too. And if you get t-boned in a Cruiser by a much smaller and lighter sedan or hatchback, the driver of that car is going to lose big time.

Head on collisions are a different matter though. Those big mothers with their old rigid ladder frames don't give much in an impact and the full force can be transmitted back to the passenger compartment, instead of being absorbed by progressive crumple zones. The latest ones are probably hugely improved but some of them are still terrible. (eg Great Wall, Mahindra and other cheap crap from thereabouts).

 

[Sabbath']

Yeah, I think that's what a lot of family buyers think, too. And if you get t-boned in a Cruiser by a much smaller and lighter sedan or hatchback, the driver of that car is going to lose big time.

Head on collisions are a different matter though. Those big mothers with their old rigid ladder frames don't give much in an impact and the full force can be transmitted back to the passenger compartment, instead of being absorbed by progressive crumple zones. The latest ones are probably hugely improved but some of them are still terrible. (eg Great Wall, Mahindra and other cheap crap from thereabouts).

You'd be surprised the damage a proper steel bullbar can negate to to the passenger compartment. Will try and find the picture of a landcruiser that left the road at 100 and hit a stationary object at close to that speed due to driver falling asleep.

Also know of somebody who's car left the road, went through a fence, across a creekbed, through a fence and hit a tree. Driver was unconscious and was on a 100km/h road aswell. Car was a Pajero with a steel bar.

In both cases, the bigger car probably saved the drivers life.

 

[greenacc]

Gees Sabbath, are they the front seats or the back ones visible in that picture?

 

[Sabbath']

Gees Sabbath, are they the front seats or the back ones visible in that picture?

They look like the back, can see a base which was probably the front, or maybe just a piece of random trim on the floor.


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[Calaber]

You'd be surprised the damage a proper steel bullbar can negate to to the passenger compartment. Will try and find the picture of a landcruiser that left the road at 100 and hit a stationary object at close to that speed due to driver falling asleep.

Also know of somebody who's car left the road, went through a fence, across a creekbed, through a fence and hit a tree. Driver was unconscious and was on a 100km/h road aswell. Car was a Pajero with a steel bar.

In both cases, the bigger car probably saved the drivers life.

Sabbath

We are digressing from the main theme of this thread here, but I can't agree that a bull-bar adds to the protection of the occupants in a serious collision. Certainly, in minor prangs, they prevent damage to your vehicle but will probably cause major damage to the other car. However, in a major collision, the rigidity of the bar prevents the bodywork of the vehicle from using its progressive crumple zones properly and effectively. The bar has no compliance to absorb part of the impact - it will transmit the impact through its mounting points and focussing the force of the impact on those two or three points, rather than dissipating the impact through the front end structure. They also affect the triggering of air bags, because the initial fractions of a second of impact are taken by the bar and not the car itself, delaying the activation of the airbags. If you look at the factory bars designed for Falcons and Commodores, which were both designed with airbag activation in mind (ie their presence doesn't delay the triggering of the airbag compared to a car with no bar fitted), you can see that they are quite different in design and structure to the old railway track bull-bars hung off so many 4WD's. Most of them are agricultural in design and have little or no impact absorption built in, unless they are the latest aluminium types. The old steel bars are just like solid walls of steel in a big impact.

I don't think that photo you attached proves anything. It would be interesting to see how the Landcruiser fared without the bar in the same impact, but I suspect the occupants would still be pretty badly banged around. I don't think the bar would have reduced the seriousness of the impact or their injuries. After all, the Cruiser is a huge hunk of metal without a bar and for it to be as badly damaged as that, it must have hit extremely hard.

 

[Sabbath']

Airbag compliant bullbars.

/Argument.

As i originally said, larger car probably saved the drivers lives.

 

[phillyG]

Airbag compliant bullbars.

/Argument.

As i originally said, larger car probably saved the drivers lives.

wot?

That makes no sence in relation to the current discussion haha