JC Political Thread - For All Things Political Part 2

[chrisp]

The advice at the time (and still holds today) was to have an independent inspector (perhaps the architect) present during the pour to see that all is done according to the plans. Alternatively, read up yourself and be there and video record the concrete pour for proof (your ‘word’ in court won’t be considered an expert opinion, but the video evidence will hold up). Just having someone knowledgeable there can help keep things above board. You just might need to put it in the contract in case the builder tries to exclude an independent witness using ‘safety‘ as a reason not to have them on site.

Nearly every build contract prevents the owner being on site aside from appointments with the builder. I doubt many workers would concent to being video'ed and it's not something I'd agree to. Further, Worksafe will have serious questions to any builder that permitted such a thing

Any builder not willing to have their work - which is being paid for by the owner - not subjected to scrutiny by the owner or an independent agent employed by the owner is questionable in itself.

I can only guess that the contracts you are referring to a ‘Master Builders’ or some other industry group ‘standard’ contracts? A solicitor will be able to draft up a suitable contract feather than using a one-sided industry template contract.

 

[vc commodore]

Any builder not willing to have their work - which is being paid for by the owner - not subjected to scrutiny by the owner or an independent agent employed by the owner is questionable in itself.

I can only guess that the contracts you are referring to a ‘Master Builders’ or some other industry group ‘standard’ contracts? A solicitor will be able to draft up a suitable contract feather than using a one-sided industry template contract.

I read @Reaper comments as being, you can go onsite with an appointment with the builder....

Going on site just at will causes many safety issues...And that's one thing a builder doesn't need....Some random hurting themselves by turning up unannounced and walking round like it's a shopping mall

Oh and it is common practice for the owner of a property being built, to inspect the build at various stages, with various tradesman being present to inspect the work currently being done, before agreeing for further work to commence....Not to mention, agreeing for more money to be released by the financial institution to continue on with the build.....It's generally put into contracts too

 

[J_D 2.0]

You also have the risk of expanding the problem which is happening at the moment which is government jobs either sucking up a lions share of the labour force or forcing those outside the sphere to raise their prices to retain or lure staff.

If anything is sucking up the skilled labour who could build houses it’s the mining/fossil fuel industries. When a sector that pays SFA tax can outbid everyone else to get things done we’ve got our priorities wrong as a country.

Or, better yet. If you think the price was double. Why go with it?

At the end of the day I wanted a carport (want to keep my SSV in reasonable condition) and there was slim pickings at the time for quotes. Tradies obviously had plenty on so fuk all competition in the market so they just highball you all the time.

Double carport kit similar to mine is about $3900, add $2500 for the council extortion fees and they made a fuk tonne of money out of the job. At the end of the day I couldn’t do the job myself as my back isn’t the best (too much lifting engine blocks and shite in my first job wrecking cars).

It is what it is but it shouldn’t be anywhere near that much if we actually had a competitive market but so many years of the government short changing TAFE/trade colleges and relying on the apprenticeship system to train tradies has created a general shortage of them.

As I’ve pointed out previously I would have been a mechanic right now if someone would have given me the opportunity when I was fresh out of school but that opportunity wasn’t forthcoming despite me door knocking many businesses.

The first opportunity I got was at a wrecking yard and now I’m a product specialist sitting at a desk while we have a shortage of mechanics. Meh, their loss as I probably earn more now sitting at a desk than I would have being a mechanic.


https://carcoversandshelter.com.au/products/flat-roof-lite-skillion-double-carport

 

[AirStrike]

If anything is sucking up the skilled labour who could build houses it’s the mining/fossil fuel industries. When a sector that pays SFA tax can outbid everyone else to get things done we’ve got our priorities wrong as a country.



At the end of the day I wanted a carport (want to keep my SSV in reasonable condition) and there was slim pickings at the time for quotes. Tradies obviously had plenty on so fuk all competition in the market so they just highball you all the time.

Double carport kit similar to mine is about $3900, add $2500 for the council extortion fees and they made a fuk tonne of money out of the job. At the end of the day I couldn’t do the job myself as my back isn’t the best (too much lifting engine blocks and shite in my first job wrecking cars).

It is what it is but it shouldn’t be anywhere near that much if we actually had a competitive market but so many years of the government short changing TAFE/trade colleges and relying on the apprenticeship system to train tradies has created a general shortage of them.

As I’ve pointed out previously I would have been a mechanic right now if someone would have given me the opportunity when I was fresh out of school but that opportunity wasn’t forthcoming despite me door knocking many businesses.

The first opportunity I got was at a wrecking yard and now I’m a product specialist sitting at a desk while we have a shortage of mechanics. Meh, their loss as I probably earn more now sitting at a desk than I would have being a mechanic.


https://carcoversandshelter.com.au/products/flat-roof-lite-skillion-double-carport

But that link isn't similar to yours given it's in Sydney.

 

[shane_3800]

If anything is sucking up the skilled labour who could build houses it’s the mining/fossil fuel industries. When a sector that pays SFA tax can outbid everyone else to get things done we’ve got our priorities wrong as a country.



At the end of the day I wanted a carport (want to keep my SSV in reasonable condition) and there was slim pickings at the time for quotes. Tradies obviously had plenty on so fuk all competition in the market so they just highball you all the time.

Double carport kit similar to mine is about $3900, add $2500 for the council extortion fees and they made a fuk tonne of money out of the job. At the end of the day I couldn’t do the job myself as my back isn’t the best (too much lifting engine blocks and shite in my first job wrecking cars).

It is what it is but it shouldn’t be anywhere near that much if we actually had a competitive market but so many years of the government short changing TAFE/trade colleges and relying on the apprenticeship system to train tradies has created a general shortage of them.

As I’ve pointed out previously I would have been a mechanic right now if someone would have given me the opportunity when I was fresh out of school but that opportunity wasn’t forthcoming despite me door knocking many businesses.

The first opportunity I got was at a wrecking yard and now I’m a product specialist sitting at a desk while we have a shortage of mechanics. Meh, their loss as I probably earn more now sitting at a desk than I would have being a mechanic.


https://carcoversandshelter.com.au/products/flat-roof-lite-skillion-double-carport

If you get a high ball from a tradie, it's because they have too much work on so they just price high.
I'm sure you know this, but I see it first hand when my mates get job calls when we're having a beer.
Literally having a beer with mates in the building Industry, the talk is about having too much on and dealing with big jobs that are dragging on and on.

 

[shane_3800]

If anything is sucking up the skilled labour who could build houses it’s the mining/fossil fuel industries. When a sector that pays SFA tax can outbid everyone else to get things done we’ve got our priorities wrong as a country.



At the end of the day I wanted a carport (want to keep my SSV in reasonable condition) and there was slim pickings at the time for quotes. Tradies obviously had plenty on so fuk all competition in the market so they just highball you all the time.

Double carport kit similar to mine is about $3900, add $2500 for the council extortion fees and they made a fuk tonne of money out of the job. At the end of the day I couldn’t do the job myself as my back isn’t the best (too much lifting engine blocks and shite in my first job wrecking cars).

It is what it is but it shouldn’t be anywhere near that much if we actually had a competitive market but so many years of the government short changing TAFE/trade colleges and relying on the apprenticeship system to train tradies has created a general shortage of them.

As I’ve pointed out previously I would have been a mechanic right now if someone would have given me the opportunity when I was fresh out of school but that opportunity wasn’t forthcoming despite me door knocking many businesses.

The first opportunity I got was at a wrecking yard and now I’m a product specialist sitting at a desk while we have a shortage of mechanics. Meh, their loss as I probably earn more now sitting at a desk than I would have being a mechanic.


https://carcoversandshelter.com.au/products/flat-roof-lite-skillion-double-carport

Wouldn't the trades shortage have more to do with, say we import 100k people a year, that's 1 million over ten years.
Well in ten year we have 1 million more people, but the trades comming in are low, wouldn't that have a big effect on the trades shortages?

 

[J_D 2.0]

If you get a high ball from a tradie, it's because they have too much work on so they just price high.

Yes I know. Seems they always have plenty on because I don’t think I’ve had a bargain yet.

 

[J_D 2.0]

Wouldn't the trades shortage have more to do with, say we import 100k people a year, that's 1 million over ten years.
Well in ten year we have 1 million more people, but the trades comming in are low, wouldn't that have a big effect on the trades shortages?

Suppose it would have some effect if the ratio of tradies being imported is below average compared to other people coming in.

 

[VS 5.0]

Wouldn't the trades shortage have more to do with, say we import 100k people a year, that's 1 million over ten years.
Well in ten year we have 1 million more people, but the trades comming in are low, wouldn't that have a big effect on the trades shortages?

If we only imported 100k pa, there would likely be very little problem.

When we continually import multiples of that (over 500k last year and some 150k in the December qtr) we are on a path to hell.

 

[J_D 2.0]

I’m just going to leave this here because it’s political and funny af!