JC Political Thread - For All Things Political Part 2

[losh1971]

As for Trump he is no worse than the bloke he took over from. Obama destroyed America and now Trump is pickinf up the pieces. Same in Australia Labor trashed our economy and basically bankrupted the country, destroying all the Libs had built up. Now Scomo is trying to repair the damage done by labor, even though he is not doing a very good job at it. If Libs still had Tony as leader the economy might be in a better position since the predicament we have had that labor left us in.

 

[Reaper]

As bad and flawed as Medicare is, I'll take it every single day of the week over the US system. Probably one of the few socialistic notions I believe in. After seeing my father a couple of years back spend his last days in intensive care with just about every machine I could think of giving him the best chance of surviving he could have world wide barr none, with not even a skerick of notion of 'how much is this all costing', can we afford it? etc, I am an even bigger believer in it than I already was. Sadly he didn't make it however I'd hate to know how much that 10 days or so cost, probably enough to cause all those aside from the most well heeled severe financial distress. Should he have survived, at best he would have had 24/7 care indefinitely assuming he ever was well enough to leave hospital. Thankfully here the cost of that care is not something nearly all need worry about - they have enough on their minds at these times, money should not be one of them.

 

[losh1971]

Agree we have an excellent social security system and are awarded with benefits like Medicare that some countries would not even dream of. Live in say the Philippines and you needed the same treatment it would only be the very wealthy who would even have a chance of an intensive care hospital treatment.

 

[Skydrol]

Well, I am glad that you guys have a better system than ours. The US is run by Pharmaceuticals and Insurance Industry. Both are greasing the politicians. It is way out of control, a reform is need it. However, a lot of people's paychecks depend on these "scams".

The US is pretty much at the end, Trump took over a mess that was supposed to be handed to Hillary. The only money making thing left in the US are the Weapon Industries. The nation is really tired of all these constant wars/conflicts. The politicians talk about peace, Trump is pulling the forces out if Syria and the media looses their minds.

 

[Calaber]

About 30 years ago, the world situation was looking brighter than it had for decades. Communism had finally failed in the USSR, the Berlin Wall fell, Germany reunited, China started to talk to the rest of the world, all major historical events with positive outlooks.
Look at today. Putin steering Russia back towards the bad old days, fighting with former Soviet states and commandeering the Crimea, both China and Russia arming themselves with greatly advanced weapons for which America admits it has no answers immediately available, China becoming the world banker, the USA falling into massive debt, mostly to China and being led by a highly unpredictable President. Who trusts North Korea? The Middle East remains a religious **** storm. Not a very positive outlook now.

 

[c2105026]

If someone is to steer the US to being great again, Trump certainly isn’t the answer.

The fact that he prioritised considering earmarking US$5.7 billion for a border wall that may or may not work, based on facts that even FOX have debunked.....and using emergency powers to do so....I dunno, I would have thought out of control gun violence, crumbling infrastructure, crumbling manufacture base, crumbling health and education systems would be greater priority, even from an entirely apolitical perspective (eg republicans just as likely to be killed by a collapsing bridge).

That is merely a political issue. That can be debatable based on your values and world view. But there are many core issues I have with the man that lie outside the realm of general everyday politics. Namely basically being a shady fellow, and his overall leadership qualities.

There is so much secrecy surrounding trump, it sets off many red flags. The same reason why he met with Putin somewhat secretly 5 times, with no formal records of the meetings, is possibly the same reason why he has only released one tax return from 10-20 years ago. He has had ample chances to put forth his side of the story and set the record straight with concrete evidence, and maybe gain trust with his global audience. But he either lies on impulse or keeps things secret. So far he has lied about Stormy Daniels, lied about anyone from his campaign ever meeting with Russians. Now he has come out and said he never worked with Russia directly. At this point, whilst I do appreciate that it is an absurd notion for the US president to essentially be a Russian operative....I dont know if this is yet another Trump Lie.

Now his supporters and surrogates say that it’s all ‘fake news’ ok if it was some fringe left outlet like Green Left Weekly, Young Turks, The Saturday Paper, the Daily Worker - sure, ok. But lumped under ‘Fake news’ is AP, Reuter’s, all our media outlets in Australia, CNN, BBC....reputable long standing names in the industry. The only outlet that isn’t ‘fake news’ is the Alex Jones show, Breitbart and of course Fox. But even Fox have begun to fact check his various claims because even they are unable to keep a straight face anymore.

To be any sort of leader, you need to have particular, positive qualities. Trump does not have these. Let me explain

- At the outset, he is a self confessed groper, and has had a string of affairs. In Australian politics, any one of these would be reasonable grounds of resignation.

- He says he is a great businessman - who has gone bankrupt 4 times. Who gets ahead by not paying workers and contractors. Who set up a fraudulent university, charity, and so on. Trump airline, steak, vodka.....all bust. A casino of his went bust. How does one even manage that?? As a master negotiator he failed in negotiating with Mexico, and hasn’t really made much headway with Nth Korea.

- His excessive need for admiration on a basic, psychological level is indicative of someone with a profoundly low self esteem.

- Reports suggest he isn’t that great at reading, and relies on subordinates to summarise lengthy reports for him to digest.

I could go on....but I have **** to do today!

 

[Skydrol]

I know, a lot of negatives against him. However, the media never harp about anything good. To be honest, from all the candidates in 2016 he was the most qualified. The Dems are the most socialist ever, not even bother to cover up any more. Granted he is not the smooth operator the people are used to, rough on the edges, sure, but at this point, we want a doer, not a patsy.

About bankrupcy. Yes, some deals might not be the best and is a common practice in the US to use bankrupcy courts to renegociate contracts. Even me, looked into bankrupcy laws after my divorce. However, my ex did and got stuck with some loans, was on my best interesr to pay them. That is nothing to really worry about, is on the law and is just another tool. He used that on the past, is nothing illegal about it.


CNN, BBC....reputable long standing names in the industry.

You are 100%+ sure they do not lie, nobody in the organization is a sleeze bag, not a single one.

About the "Fake News", you have to thank Hillary for that, she coined first trying to smear good Trump publicity. Hoewever, knowing him, he turn it around.

Trump is a disruptor the Swamp cannot control. He uses very unorthodox methods because he is not a career politician. People loves him because he speak like the average person and say what he wants to say.

The thing is, the US is heading to its end, the Federal Reserve is about to fall. We are very surprised that lasted this long. But knowing the Dems, they will sell their soul to the devil. Trump ruined their plan and the media is doing whatever it takes to discredit him. Makes you wonder, why all the news and opinions are so negative, what kind of ballanced news is that?

The Tax Returns is all bullcrap, there is nothing written that he has to make them public. I can tell you, that he paid accountants to file for his taxes like any wealthy individual did. The tax laws in the US are written in such a way that benefit the rich if you know how to use them. I see nothing illegal, his accountants I bet they found legal loop holes. So that is another political Football to bitch about.

The Stormy crap. Who gives a rats ass about it. The question is, did he did it while in office? Nope, assuming that is true (the Stormy affair), so how many of you had an affair? Whoever is free of sin, cast the 1st stone. Now, Bill Clinton, cheated on his wife (sheesh, I would too if I was married to that evil hag) while in office, got impeached for obstruction of justice and let him finish his 2nd term. The alleged affair occured in while in office? No, so there is nothing to see there.

Is all Smoke and Mirrors.

Here is a piece from a San Diego local TV station

CNN requests KUSI for local view on the border, declines our reporter after finding out wall works

We believe CNN declined a report from KUSI because we informed them that most Border Patrol Agents we have spoken to told us the barrier does in fact work.

https://www.kusi.com/cnn-requests-k...es-our-reporter-after-finding-out-wall-works/

 

[Calaber]

We have "would-be" and actual politicians who say what many people believe and want to hear in Oz, too. The difference here is they never get to be national leader, though their voting preferences can affect overall polling results and even determine who DOES get the top job. And some of them are just as weird and unpredictable as Trump.

 

[Skydrol]

We have "would-be" and actual politicians who say what many people believe and want to hear in Oz, too. The difference here is they never get to be national leader, though their voting preferences can affect overall polling results and even determine who DOES get the top job. And some of them are just as weird and unpredictable as Trump.

Most of the stuff he does is for show, a bone that he throws at the media. I say, let him be, the other choice would put us all into WW3. So far, he is keeping us and de-scalting in the middle east. Is not easy to undo decades of deeds made by unscrupulous individuals embeded in the nation. Of course they will put out a fight.

 

[Calaber]

Do you think he will be re-elected?