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mettalic rattle under slight load low revs.

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sorry I posted this a while back and tried most of the recommendations. I also tried octane boost but still did it although not as bad. I use 98 as well

Ok I tried the octane boost and fuel system cleaner, still making the noise. I also changed the plugs and incidentally they were the type recommended already. The old plugs were a little worm (35,00kms) so I decided to change them. The car has a fresh tank of 98 fuel with Octane boost and ni improvement Happy to hear other opinions
 

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Hi 928s its a pain I know how you feel. mine still doing it and done the octane but not the plugs. I'm going to take it to get a tune and software update if any. hopefully it improves.

I pulled my oil filter out and tore it down no metal bits in there if that helps.
 

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Heat shields on your engine mounts mate try tighten them up
 

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[video]https://youtu.be/lri9g4XUzOM[/video]Hello, The ve ss 2007 has just starting making a metallic type noise under load around 1500-200 rpm.It sounds like fast tinny drum roll. I can't seem to find it but have taken all belts off to isolate it and was still there. It is very hard to pinpoint where the sound is, like the front of the motor but then seems like all over. Not sure if it is related but feels a little hesitant in power at low revs(but not always) its like the rattle affects the knock sensors but I'm just guessing. I have an audio file with the rattle taken in drive under slight load but cant work out how to attach it yet.

Thanks Geoff

just upload the audio hope it works.

O.K we have a solution to this noise. It only cost me around $4000 to get it fixed. Although much of that was me changing sensors and because we are keeping the car forever I don't regret that. You need a new timing chain and anti whip guard. These are Holden parts that will replace your old tensioner setup. The loss of power is the acute retarding of the cam and possible effects of that on the engine management. The noise is generated by the chain hitting the cover. You will find that you need to remove the sump to get all the little pieces out and our sump was full of metal filings courtesy of the chainsaw action of the floppy chain. Do this job asap as the chains can break in this condition have been known to break! Good luck.
 

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Thankyou for the info 928. I had a gut feeling at first it was a chain noise but seeing a few mechanics talked me out of it. How much was it to just do the job minus the sensors you replaced. Im looking around not many mechanics have done them.

Regards geoff
 
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Thankyou for the info 928. I had a gut feeling at first it was a chain noise but seeing a few mechanics talked me out of it. How much was it to just do the job minus the sensors you replaced. Im looking around not many mechanics have done them.

Regards geoff
I know this is an old thread. But I had same problem. 3 different mechanics telling me different opinions. First mechanic said it's bottom end bearing. Even I knew that a worn bottom end bearing doesn't sound like that. 2nd mechanic said something within the clutch assembly. Didn't make sense as it made rattle noise with clutch in or out. Neutral or in gear. Final mechanic, JDR motorsport from Picton new exactly what it was as it's common within L98, LS3 etc. Sounds like a few 5c coins rattling in a glass jar. It's the timing chain tensioner plastic guides falling apart. And eventually it slaps against the oil sump. And the bare metal of the tensioner. So they pulled off cover and saw that the plastic guides had disintegrated. The chain was slapping against bare metal. And sump. They found the bits of plastic guides in bottom of oil sump. Chain was damaged as a result. While they were doing that, they recommended I go for a racing type of tensioner. No plastic bits. Obviously a new chain. And as the car travelled 270,000km, the harmonic balancer was worn so got replaced with a racing type too. $1850 total later including labour. And the car runs beautiful. Power has returned down in low rev range to the point I'm losing traction. Well done Luke at JDR performance at Picton. Highly recommend for Holden and Ford purists.
 

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I've got a sound like this at light loads in the 1500 to 2000rpm range. Usually on the highway. It annoys the hell out of me.

I've thought it was pinging.

My timing chain and tensioner was changed less the 10K kms ago. The tensioner is now the dog bone style.
 

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I responded to your other thread also, I can say we pulled the belts off too and also had a look at the cam chain. It is not the issue nor is it the cats. My response to your other thread is below;

If can believe it I came to post the same problem. You will also have a slight stumble under light load. The engine rattling occurs under load slightly higher up the rev range. You will also have rattling when you back off in certain (low) rpm ranges. The car will lose some power too. Mine doesn't make the noise when completely cold for the first 30 seconds. I suspect it warms up and goes off the cold start circuit indicating a change of mixture. That is the mixture is leaner. The car will also feel more powerful when it is not having this problem for the first 30 seconds of driving. I have had three mechanics look at it. (I am a retired mechanic) It went to the dealer first, then their LPG specialist. The car has LPG but it does this on both fuels. It also went to my LPG installer who also ran live data. It shows no faults.

I believe the engine has a random spark advance at lower rpms. Upto a maximum rpm limit of approx 1,800 rpm. It will rattle under no load at 1050 to 1,100 rpm. I decided (as I am keeping the car and it has been overly maintained) that I would change the crank angle sensor and the knock sensors. It didn't help but the car seems to start better now. My car has 160,000 on it and we bought it when it had 15,000 kms on it and it is a WM Caprice. I was going to keep changing sensors till I fixed it but that is not the best way to go about it however I would like to refresh a certain amount of sensors just for reliability anyway. We know through live data the (silver) throttle body is a bit lazy along with the oil pressure sender.

Surely somebody else has had this problem and solved it????
Maybe a failing lifter/lifters
 
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I've got a sound like this at light loads in the 1500 to 2000rpm range. Usually on the highway. It annoys the hell out of me.

I've thought it was pinging.

My timing chain and tensioner was changed less the 10K kms ago. The tensioner is now the dog bone style.
Same symptoms that I had. Does it feel sluggish when accelerating hard in 1st gear? Like a hesitation? As I've mentioned in another recent post, my original timing chain tensioner, the plastic guides disintegrated. As a result, the chain was hitting bare metal on chain tensioner as well as oil sump. So Luke at JDR motorsport in Picton told me when they inspected it. The plastic bits were in the sump. I've read somewhere, that if the tensioner begins to lose tension, it will throw out the timing. And the ECU will compensate therefore loss of power. I can honestly say now, since I picked it up last week, the car has come alive! So responsive across the rev range. And no annoying sounds. I had harmonic balancer replaced with a racing type. And I'm not sure on brand of tensioner they put in. But it's a racing type. All metal guides. Reverse concave shape so chain goes around like the cog on a bicycle chain. I reckon either tensioner has broke. Or perhaps oil level is low? Tensioner will lose tension with low oil pressure. Might be best contacting Luke at JDR motorsport by phone. I don't think it's pinging. Obviously you're using 98 RON? Get it fixed asap. Don't want to risk timing chain getting damaged like mine did.
 

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I was nearly about to mention the ‘I know this is an old thread’ thing then noticed the newer comments.

My 07 SV6 has a similar issue only the rattling stays at all revs. Just gets lighter with higher revs. Timing chain was literally just done. 166 tho on the clock. Took it for a drive today and a s*** load of oil and coolant was everywhere.. Only code coming up is P0036 (Oxygen sensor)

I’m really hoping it’s nothing serious.
 
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