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Truckie escapes jail sentence

minux

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TVR, the difference being he was knowingly breaking the law.
 

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Ignorance is not an excuse for breaking the law. Police and Judges use this phrase everyday. I agree the case that TVR posted is much worse than the truckies case as he was purposefully flouting the law, but it still doesn't change the fact 2 kids are dead and someone has to be accountable. I hardly think a suspended sentence is a worthy trade of for 2 children. 3 years jail with possibility of parole would've been somewhat more suitable.
 

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Ignorance is not an excuse for breaking the law.

And that should be the bottom line.

"Oops - I didn't see the red light" is NEVER an excuse. If you can't concetrate on driving, DON'T get behind the wheel.
 

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Ignorance is not an excuse for breaking the law. Police and Judges use this phrase everyday. I agree the case that TVR posted is much worse than the truckies case as he was purposefully flouting the law, but it still doesn't change the fact 2 kids are dead and someone has to be accountable. I hardly think a suspended sentence is a worthy trade of for 2 children. 3 years jail with possibility of parole would've been somewhat more suitable.

I agree, however, when it comes to sentencing, doing the right thing beforehand can and does help your case. This kid was proving he is an idiot ont he road and as such was punished as an idiot.
 

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Guarantee you if it was a 20 year old in a Commodore or Falcon they wouldve brought back the death penalty.

Guaranteed if I ploughed into a pram with 2 young kids killing them, wasn't drunk, speeding or high etc I would be branded a 'hoon' for not concentrating.

Why? Because I am 19 and drive a commodore.

Not the justice system's fault (probably would have got same sentence) but the media would make a complete circus of it.
 

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Actually the kid wasn't punished as an idiot, he didn't get the maximum sentence.

problem is people don't equate "lapse in concentration" with "death". This irks me no end because if you have a lapse in concentration with a gun, you could have a death - 1 bullett. You have a lapse in concentration with a truck and you could have up to 50 deaths - Truck + bus....
Guns arent even designed to kill people. They are an evolution of the bow which was designed as a hunting weapon. Cars arent designed to kill people either, but a car is a more effective killing weapon than a gun, and should be licensed and legislated at least as tightly as a gun, if not more....

A car is not a gun you cry ! i can hear you from here. At distances of up to 100m, my hunting bow is more accurate and deadly than any pistol (not rifle). Yet it has no legislation whatsoever... But crossbows do and are classed as firearms, even though no 'fire' is involved. Slingshots are classed as firearms. Crossbows and slinghots were legislated as firearms because they wer as effective as firearms at shortrange. Bows were skipped 'Because they are not concealable' and 'Require substantial preparation prior to firing".

There is no logic in the law. It's an ass. Just because a car is not concealable, and requires substantial preparation prior to firing, does not make it less deadly, than either my bow, or a firearm.

I held a national ranking of #7 in the freestyle unlimited division with IFAA and IBO. Could - and maybe still can - put an arrow in every pip on a playing card at 30meters. Bows are EXTREMELY DEADLY at up to 100m, and can easily cause a fatalty at longer distances. FFS we kill bears and Moose with 'em, let alone feral pigs.

Yet almost anyone is allowed behind the wheel of a more fatal device, and is allowed lapses in concentration that cause fatalaties without being held morally accountable. I am so digusted with the law I am beyond words.
 

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Considering my cousin lost his licence for 2 years, and got 300hrs community service and a 1 year good behavior bond for speeding (180 in a 100 zone, with low range BAC, yes I know he's a major tool, just using it as an example) the fact that this guy killed 2 innocent children be it by accident got the sentence he got is ridiculous. And why is there the difference?? Simple. My cousin was a 24year old driving an XR6 Turbo ute, and this guy was a mature guy with a family etc earning a living driving a truck. Which IMO is crap. Shouldnt matter about circumstances like that. Nothing will change that that other family lost both of their children due to someone else's mistake.
 

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In Australia, Lapses in concentration in road vehicles kills more people per year than Guns.

Year Accident Suicide Murder Other Total

1991 29 505 84 11 629
1992 24 488 96 14 622
1993 18 431 64 9 522
1994 20 420 76 13 529
1995 15 388 67 9 479
1996 30 382 104 5 521
1997 19 330 79 9 437
1998 21 234 57 15 327
1999 28 269 50 6 353
2000 45 222 57 7 331
2001 18 261 47 7 333

Source http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current series/tandi/261-280/tandi269/view paper.aspx

Total Road Fatality Statistics

1991 2113
1992 1974
1993 1953
1994 1928
1995 2017
1996 1970
1997 1767
1998 1755
1999 1764
2000 1817
2001 1737

Source http://statistics.infrastructure.go...bguest/Road Deaths by State and Territory.txd

Obviously licensing and laws relating to cars need to change - probably in line with firearms.
 
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Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Part of the problem with gun laws is the guns themselves are wrwongfully targeted as the problem with gun related crime. But it's the people, NOT the guns. But that's a completely different topic...
 
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