Welcome to Just Commodores, a site specifically designed for all people who share the same passion as yourself.

New Posts Contact us

Just Commodores Forum Community

It takes just a moment to join our fantastic community

Register

Water in OTR intake

Ron Burgundy

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jun 3, 2004
Messages
4,834
Reaction score
4,310
Points
113
Location
NSW
Members Ride
VF II SS
I drove on the highway today for about 45min and it was raining.
The rain was not bad at all.

When I got home I was curious whether there was any water in the otr.

I discovered a bit of water in there before the filter.... drops mostly.

What also suprised me was drops of water on top of CAI. Bonnet seal is still there and I am not sure how water got there.

I am aware that at the bottom of cai before the filter there is a little hole which seems to be there for water to drain.

Anyone had any issues with OTR in rain causing issues and water getting past the filter ?

I am wondering if there is any danger of lots of water getting in past the filter under fairly normal driving conditions i.e. driving on the highway in the rain ?
 

Attachments

  • Screenshot_20210620-163317_Gallery.jpg
    Screenshot_20210620-163317_Gallery.jpg
    493.8 KB · Views: 226
  • Screenshot_20210620-163334_Gallery.jpg
    Screenshot_20210620-163334_Gallery.jpg
    397.4 KB · Views: 204
  • Screenshot_20210620-163348_Gallery.jpg
    Screenshot_20210620-163348_Gallery.jpg
    530.1 KB · Views: 217
  • Screenshot_20210620-163326_Gallery.jpg
    Screenshot_20210620-163326_Gallery.jpg
    748.2 KB · Views: 208
Last edited:

Forg

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jun 16, 2015
Messages
6,260
Reaction score
4,276
Points
113
Location
Sydney
Members Ride
Regal Peackock VF SS-V Redline Wagoon
Mist, spray, rain, water splashed by other cars from puddles etc etc is going to get into the engine-bay of pretty much any car ... and in the main, it's only those vehicles with snorkels that aren't ingesting their air from in there.

Someone who knows what they're actually talking about may disagree, but if it were me, I'd not only not worry about it but I'd think it's normal. :)
 

Ron Burgundy

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jun 3, 2004
Messages
4,834
Reaction score
4,310
Points
113
Location
NSW
Members Ride
VF II SS
I am wondering if I should trim the bit that is protruding down into grille area as this seems to act as a scoop. I am then thinking this would probably affect the airflow as well if it was trimmed down...

Or maybe...this is all just fine and I am overthinking it, over a very small amount of water in the housing BEFORE the filter... :)
 

Attachments

  • Screenshot_20210620-164235_Gallery.jpg
    Screenshot_20210620-164235_Gallery.jpg
    74.4 KB · Views: 191

warrick

Active Member
Joined
Jun 16, 2004
Messages
349
Reaction score
130
Points
43
Location
brisbane
Website
members.cardomain.com
Members Ride
VF 6.0 CALAIS V
i think you are probably over thinking it. that amount of rain is never going to get past the filter and even if it did it would do nothing to the motor and probably evaporate before it got to the internals. i had a ski boat with 308 and holley on it with open ram tube which would get a heap more than that in it and never had an issue.
cheers
 

MrBags

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jan 30, 2018
Messages
1,255
Reaction score
2,378
Points
113
Age
45
Location
Melbourne
Members Ride
VE SSV Z SERIES
I daily drove my old Caprice for 90,000 km with an OTR in all sorts of conditions. Never had a problem with it. It’s all gonna be fine mate.
 

shane_3800

Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 13, 2011
Messages
4,223
Reaction score
1,799
Points
113
Age
35
Location
places
Members Ride
vr commo
Like warrick said even if some got past it's going to do nothing.

You would have to be driving through the heaviest down poor ever seen in Australia for it to even get to the point you would be worried.
 

Skylarking

Well-Known Member
Joined
Feb 3, 2018
Messages
10,204
Reaction score
10,762
Points
113
Age
123
Location
Downunder
Members Ride
Commodore Motorsport Edition
It’s been discussed a few times and as always, opinions vary.

Usually engines will hydralock if the air intake is rather low and someone is driving through standing water. In such cases, if water is near the bottom of the vehicle, one simply needs a bow wave to meet up with the bottom of the intake pipe and the engine will ingest a big gulp of water which may not end well. The bow wave can be caused by the vehicle itself or another vehicle coming the other way…

This is particularly a problem in Corvette c6 with a low VaraRam CAI setup as mentioned in the corvette forum thread . It was also an issue for a standard Nissan 370Z sold as a repairable writeoff at auction some years ago.

Supposedly this is from C6 owners manual

1624235701850.jpeg


But the VF intake (even with CAI) is much higher than either the Nissan or Corvette intakes so should be less of an issue. Normal rainfall isn’t an issue and heavy rainfall that impacts visibility can result in more danger from crashing than hydro locking and engine. But you could be unlucky, if it’s raining heaps, and the roads have standing water with some tosser flying towards you throwing up a sheet of water that hits the front of the car. But there’s a low probability of such occurring and it comes down to the old Dirty Harry moment


If the rare event ever occurs, some insurance companies would cover hydralock from water being thrown up and or driving through standing water… A dashcam of the incident could be helpful when making claims.
 

vc commodore

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jun 18, 2014
Messages
10,772
Reaction score
12,789
Points
113
Location
Like the Leyland Brothers
Members Ride
VC, VH and VY
If the filter is dry, I wouldn't be concerned....After all, the water has to get into the filter before it gets sucked into the engine to cause any issues :)

It is great to ask the question though...If you don't ask you'll never know.
 

shane_3800

Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 13, 2011
Messages
4,223
Reaction score
1,799
Points
113
Age
35
Location
places
Members Ride
vr commo
It’s been discussed a few times and as always, opinions vary.

Usually engines will hydralock if the air intake is rather low and someone is driving through standing water. In such cases, if water is near the bottom of the vehicle, one simply needs a bow wave to meet up with the bottom of the intake pipe and the engine will ingest a big gulp of water which may not end well. The bow wave can be caused by the vehicle itself or another vehicle coming the other way…

This is particularly a problem in Corvette c6 with a low VaraRam CAI setup as mentioned in the corvette forum thread . It was also an issue for a standard Nissan 370Z sold as a repairable writeoff at auction some years ago.

Supposedly this is from C6 owners manual

View attachment 223403

But the VF intake (even with CAI) is much higher than either the Nissan or Corvette intakes so should be less of an issue. Normal rainfall isn’t an issue and heavy rainfall that impacts visibility can result in more danger from crashing than hydro locking and engine. But you could be unlucky, if it’s raining heaps, and the roads have standing water with some tosser flying towards you throwing up a sheet of water that hits the front of the car. But there’s a low probability of such occurring and it comes down to the old Dirty Harry moment


If the rare event ever occurs, some insurance companies would cover hydralock from water being thrown up and or driving through standing water… A dashcam of the incident could be helpful when making claims.

Dude we just did an engine on a car where they drove into flood water and insurance covered it.
There was sand and mud in the air box.
 

wetwork65

A wet business
Joined
Mar 12, 2006
Messages
1,388
Reaction score
2,105
Points
113
Location
Sydney
Members Ride
VF SSV Wagon & VF SV6 Wagon
I recall some punters believe that a water spray into their engines improves the fuel burning process, so maybe not a bad thing. In your case, the water is drawn off your filter medium as fine droplets.
However in your setup, you're lacking any proper metering of the water flow rate.

Despite my engineering ramblings above, there's probably a certain amount of entrained water in your fuel anyway, so I suspect not a great problem or benefit to be worried about here.
 
Top