JC Political Thread - For All Things Political Part 2

[hademall]

Tradies hardly have an interest in creating more competition in their own market. They will only begrudgingly put on apprentices insofar as they need a shitkicker to do the menial jobs.

Of the top of my head tradies are the only ones I can think of who have a closed shop and get to determine how much competition they have in their own market by not training apprentices.

When I worked for myself, I took on three apprentices. Payed them all their entitlements and gave them bonuses when I had a good week.

 

[J_D 2.0]

… for a short time.

The Ancient Greek philosophers studied happiness and the connection between wealth and happiness. It’s definitely worth reading up on if anyone is interested (I suggest ‘The Consolations of Philosophy‘ by Alain de Botton). Apparently, once you have enough wealth to cover your basic needs, any further wealth doesn’t increase happiness longterm. There is a short term change in happiness if money increases or decreases, but the happiness level returns to the previous level (providing your basic needs are met).

Funnily enough countries with a strong social safety net (that evil socialism) top the list of happiest countries. Seems hard core dog eat dog capitalism isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/a-map-of-global-happiness-by-country-in-2024/

 

[vc commodore]

It is funny how I read about trades people complaining about apprentices, with training and other parts, yet how did these trades people become trade people? An internet course.

I'm no tradie, but have taught people my job....It can be frustrating, but everyone has to start somewhere....

 

[shane_3800]

Money can't buy you happiness but it can by you things that make you happy.

Yep you can be poor and stair at a brick wall after work, or you can be rich and have a home cinema, two hoists and 10 cars that you are always upgrading.
Also with me I would have a few Yagi towers for my Flex radios, and big heliax running to them.

 

[J_D 2.0]

Then people like JD come up with conspiracy theories about it being some concerted effort by tradesmen.

It doesn’t need to be a concerted effort if the incentives align. A tradie isn’t directly employed to train another tradesmen so the pathway is restricted by virtue of the fact that tradies don’t actually have to train apprentices.

In a lot job areas a teacher trains you and their specific job is to train (teach) you. If zero teaching gets done then the teacher doesn’t have a job and joins the Centrelink queue. If zero apprenticeship training gets done tradies still make a shite ton of money anyway from their regular job.

 

[AirStrike]

Funnily enough countries with a strong social safety net (that evil socialism) top the list of happiest countries. Seems hard core dog eat dog capitalism isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/a-map-of-global-happiness-by-country-in-2024/

Israel doing better than Australia, I guess if I was to also make random assumptions from basic data we could say war makes people happy

 

[shane_3800]

… for a short time.

The Ancient Greek philosophers studied happiness and the connection between wealth and happiness. It’s definitely worth reading up on if anyone is interested (I suggest ‘The Consolations of Philosophy‘ by Alain de Botton). Apparently, once you have enough wealth to cover your basic needs, any further wealth doesn’t increase happiness longterm. There is a short term change in happiness if money increases or decreases, but the happiness level returns to the previous level (providing your basic needs are met).

But when you need endless amounts of V8 engines and cars, well money is the only thing that gets you that.

Also ancient people never had electronics, they never had planes, they never had V8 engines, they never smelt methanol burning in an exhuast pipe.
All these fun things we have these days, that feed our high-intelligence due to education levels increasing cost money.

But the young generation seems content with living in a phone, each to their own.

 

[vc commodore]

It doesn’t need to be a concerted effort if the incentives align. A tradie isn’t directly employed to train another tradesmen so the pathway is restricted by virtue of the fact that tradies don’t actually have to train apprentices.

In a lot job areas a teacher trains you and their specific job is to train (teach) you. If zero teaching gets done then the teacher doesn’t have a job and joins the Centrelink queue. If zero apprenticeship training gets done tradies still make a shite ton of money anyway from their regular job.

And to add in, when those tradies retire, there are no tradies to take their place, so things turn to shite

 

[Immortality]

When I worked for myself, I took on three apprentices. Payed them all their entitlements and gave them bonuses when I had a good week.

Good for you and that is how it should be. When you do well and achieve targets there should be some sort of reward. People who look after their staff generally find those staff will go above and beyond when needed, or the alternative....

My boss would come and complain about receiving a job late but we still had to meet a deadline so we work harder to make that happen and then at the end of the day not even get a "thanks" for the extra effort so eventually when that happens you don't put in the extra effort.

Got to the point where at the end of the last day of the week if the job wasn't done I'd simply walk out the door when my shift was done.

 

[AirStrike]

It is funny how I read about trades people complaining about apprentices, with training and other parts, yet how did these trades people become trade people? An internet course.

I'm no tradie, but have taught people my job....It can be frustrating, but everyone has to start somewhere....

Like all staff you get good and bad ones.
Current generation just seem way more entitled than previous ones. We've had some awesome apprentices, 3 are still on board now that they are fully qualified............and then you have ones like the one that finished up last year who felt since he was paid less he shouldn't be expected to work as hard as the other guys as it's not fair (his words).