Castrol Edge Titanium 5W-30

[Sean880]

I understand wanting to use dexos spec oil for warranty purposes ... BUT there are a lot of oils on the market that meet or exceed dexos specs. The only reason they arent dexos approved is because the oil companies don't want to pay the cost of having their oil dexos approved as that would mean further cost for the consumer. Dexos is just another ''stealing'' tactic from GM....

1. “Lots of oils” on the market here that meet or exceed Dexos 1 GF5 specs. Please list those “lots” with evidence. Please don’t just come on and make unsubstantiated statements. From my research there are very few oils available here currently that meet the GF5, Dexos 1 spec that are NOT GM licensed.
(Valvoline have 2 but one of these is only available in trade quantities and you will probably not find it retail. The semi synthetic product is sold retail in 5 litre units. Valvoline even went to the trouble do some postings on the forum on this and I have seen their new product appear in Repco in the last month or so.)

Manufacturers can claim what they like but consumers have to rely on the statements of those manufacturers that their unlicensed product does in fact meet the required spec.

2. There are many oil companies offering approved/licensed Dexos 1 (and Dexos 2) oils globally and clearly they believe it is worth it. However very few are readily available here retail. Even PENRITE is offering a fully licensed GF 5 Dexos 1 oil (but it is not yet widely distributed as you will see if you go looking for it today).

I am aware that there are lots of oil experts here who believe they know better than the guys that designed and built the GM engines. But they are not GM engine designers, oil scientists or engineering lubrication specialists. They are generally offering unqualified opinions.

Whether you have a Porsche, Nissan GTR or Commodore you should be using the correct spec products. I have a new car like many others here, not some old VE with 100,000 kms on it, so I am going to ensure the right products are used in it as I do for all vehicles.

3. COST>>>>>There is very little difference in cost between a high quality GM licensed GF5 Dexos 1 spec oil and other high quality oils offered by the same manufacturers for other makes of cars.
Check it for yourself. From the consumer’s point of view having the Dexos licensed label on products, whether a Dexos 1 or Dexos 2 oil is required, makes it easy to ensure the correct spec products are being used in the engine.

A comparison can also be made between licensed and unlicensed Dexos 1 spec products. Even the unlicensed semi synthetic product offered by Valvoline is far from inexpensive in the 47 -50 dollar range retail for 5 litres. But good oils are not cheap. (I cannot comment on the Valvoline fully SYN product price as it is not available in 5 litres and have not seen it retail.)

4. Finally I think you might have missed the point of my posting.
If you have a new Commodore which requires GF5 Dexos 1 spec oil then that is what you should be using as a specific condition of your new car warranty.
AND
The high profile dealer I purchased my new car from is not yet bothering to put the correct spec oil in 2012 Commodores coming in for services that require Gf 5 , Dexos 1 spec oils. (whether GM licensed product or NOT).
Worse , the Castrol oil the dealer is “recommending” be used is specifically EXCLUDED by Castrol as being suitable for 2012 Commodores. Castrol stipulates that one of their GF 5 DEXOS 1 oils must be used in these engines and the item they specify is a GM licensed DEXOS 1 oil.

 

[swingn_wasabi]

Have known many people running that oil in multiple different cars & have had nothing but kind things to say.

Can't really comment on the technical side of things regarding warranty etc, but I did have a similar problem when searching for oil for my EVO X. If I left it to the dealer, they were going to put semi-synthetic in when the manual clearly specifies fully synthetic is required. Wanted to do everything by the book just to be on the safe side & landed up at Mobile 1 which happened to be the same HSV were using at the time... So it "should" meet Holdens requirements since HSV were using it (Unsure if they still are).

My philosophy was that if it's good enough for Corvette, HSV, Nissan GTR & Porsche, then it's good enough for me

 

[CALAIS08V8]

1. “Lots of oils” on the market here that meet or exceed Dexos 1 GF5 specs. Please list those “lots” with evidence. Please don’t just come on and make unsubstantiated statements. From my research there are very few oils available here currently that meet the GF5, Dexos 1 spec that are NOT GM licensed.
(Valvoline have 2 but one of these is only available in trade quantities and you will probably not find it retail. The semi synthetic product is sold retail in 5 litre units. Valvoline even went to the trouble do some postings on the forum on this and I have seen their new product appear in Repco in the last month or so.)

Im sorry , but i did my study like you before i purchased oil ... I made informed decisions based i evidence i searched for . I don't have time to do that research for you.

2. There are many oil companies offering approved/licensed Dexos 1 (and Dexos 2) oils globally and clearly they believe it is worth it. However very few are readily available here retail. Even PENRITE is offering a fully licensed GF 5 Dexos 1 oil (but it is not yet widely distributed as you will see if you go looking for it today).

I am aware that there are lots of oil experts here who believe they know better than the guys that designed and built the GM engines. But they are not GM engine designers, oil scientists or engineering lubrication specialists. They are generally offering unqualified opinions.
Whether you have a Porsche, Nissan GTR or Commodore you should be using the correct spec products. I have a new car like many others here, not some old VE with 100,000 kms on it, so I am going to ensure the right products are used in it as I do for all vehicles.

Yes there are some oil experts on here, one of them is Steve from Mainlube ( forum sponsor) . He actually recommends Castrol 10W 60W for LS motors, funny that eh ? His knowledge of oils and its affects on engine internals would probably be up there with the best in the world.........

My car is not at all what i would call old having just 40000 km on it. Its never seen Dexos oil. In my researched opinion i feel there are other oils just as good if not better than Dexos oils. BUT that is my opinion.

4. Finally I think you might have missed the point of my posting.
If you have a new Commodore which requires GF5 Dexos 1 spec oil then that is what you should be using as a specific condition of your new car warranty.
AND
The high profile dealer I purchased my new car from is not yet bothering to put the correct spec oil in 2012 Commodores coming in for services that require Gf 5 , Dexos 1 spec oils. (whether GM licensed product or NOT).
Worse , the Castrol oil the dealer is “recommending” be used is specifically EXCLUDED by Castrol as being suitable for 2012 Commodores. Castrol stipulates that one of their GF 5 DEXOS 1 oils must be used in these engines and the item they specify is a GM licensed DEXOS 1 oil.

I understood you clearly. I did state ''I understand wanting to use dexos spec oil for warranty purposes''

Don't forget fuel economy has a lot to do with Holdens choice of 5W 30W. They only need the motor to last 100,000kms and then its not their problem is it

For the record i use Synpower 5w 40w . I don't care if its Dexos or not. My motor likes it, doesn't use any between oil changes, is quiet. I do change it every 5000 to 7000kms. Maybe thats the secret , i don't know but it works for me and im sticking to it.

I think your ''high profile'' dealer is onto something in regards to not servicing cars with Dexos as yet. Perhaps he knows its a load of crap,and another way for the financially troubled GM to make a quick buck...

Do your research and make a informed decision . Change your own oil and save a dollar and perhaps your motor lol

cheers