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‘05 VZ SS Ute Ticking Sound on Start Up

VZSSHawk

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Hi, I’ve been getting a quiet fast ticking noise on start up on my ‘05 VZ SS Ute, only started about 2 or 3 weeks ago, any ideas?

Valve shifters? If so what kind of oil should I put through? Suggestions?

I’ll add it appears to be coming from the front left side, last maybe 5 seconds.

Cheers.
 
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Plan for the worst and hope for the best.

A buggered lifter is a buggered lifter and there is no easy solution. No additive other than adding some hard work and getting the heads off to fix the bloody things.

I’d be getting the rocker covers off and inspecting the valves and checking for any play in the rockers.

You’ll be turning the engine over by hand to do it.
 

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From the Australian Buyers Guide. Your symptoms seem to be similar to the Hydraulic lifter noise described below:

Commodore: LS V8 engines
Overview

With the exception of the early 5.7-litre LS1 V8 engines, General Motors’ LS V8 engines are regarded as being generally reliable. However, they may experience the problems described below.

Hydraulic lifter failure
For GM’s LS V8 engines, the hydraulic lifters may fail due to:
  • A failed plunger within the lifter itself. When the plunger fails, it cannot maintain oil pressure and remains in a collapsed state – the lifter therefore cannot take up valve lash such that a tapping noise is heard that increases in volume and frequency with engine speed;
  • The spring mechanism jamming – this is more common in older engines;
  • Inadequate lubrication of the lifter roller wheel surface causing friction on the lobe (this generally results in a squeaking noise);
  • Softened valve springs which also require replacement; or,
  • Worn lifter buckets.
A failed hydraulic lifter can bend the pushrods which can then fall out of the space between the rocker arm and the top of the lifter. Once a pushrod falls out of that space, it may cause broken rocker arms, broken valves, cracked heads, a damaged cam or total engine failure.
It is recommended that the lifters be replaced every 100,000 kilometres, though failure of the hydraulic lifters is more common in engines with high-lift camshafts because higher spring pressure are required to prevent valve float, putting extra pressure on the lifter. Replacing the lifters requires that the cylinder heads be removed such that new head gaskets and head bolts are required.

Hydraulic lifter noise
From cold start-up, the hydraulic lifters may make a tapping noise. The most common cause of hydraulic lifter noise is particles in the engine oil becoming jammed between the lifter plunger and the lifter body, causing the plunger to become stuck down. The clearances between the plunger and body of a hydraulic lifter can be as little as 3 microns (0.003 mm) such that any particle larger than this in the oil can jam the lifter plunger in its body.

Lifter noise may also be caused by aeration of engine oil in the lifter’s pressure chamber since this increases valve closing velocity. Aeration of engine oil may be caused by:

  • air in the higher pressure chamber of the lifter affecting valvetrain lash;
  • air that is ingested into the lifter during a cold start due to a suction side leak at the oil pump or oil pump pick-up tube O-ring; or,
  • low oil levels and high engine speeds.
Once air gets into the high pressure chamber, it will be slowly expelled through the narrow clearance of the plunger and body.

Rocker bearing failure
The rocker bearings – which sit on top of the valve train and transfer energy from the pushrod to the valve – can develop a sideways slop which can damage the valve tops, the rocker or valve springs. Furthermore, the rocker bearings can split such that the needle bearings fall out and end up in the oil pan.
Trunion bearing upgrade kits can be installed in the factory rockers which reduce sideways movement and provide a better range of vertical movement. Alternatively, after-market roller rockers can be installed which have better geometry than the standard rockers and control the valve more precisely via the centre of the valve tip.

Valve spring failure
The LS engine has ‘beehive’, single valve-type valve springs (as opposed to a dual valve spring which has a smaller spring inside the primary spring) and, in rare cases, the valve spring may break at its top where the coils are tightly wound. If a single valve-type valve spring breaks, it is common for the valve to be dropped, causing significant engine damage; sometimes, however, the valve may be held up by the valve locks when the spring is breaks. Symptoms of broken valve spring include:

  • Engine vibrations;
  • Loss of power beyond 4000 rpm;
  • Misfire under load; and,
  • Constant misfire.
If the vehicle is driven with a broken valve spring, a valve may come into contact with the piston, causing the valve to be bent. Furthermore, if the valve head breaks off, the engine will seize. To fix a failed valve spring, the cylinder heads need to be removed so that a new valve, head gasket and head bolts can be fitted.
For durability, it is recommended that high rpm are avoided when the engine is cold.

V8 LS1 engines: other problems and faults
A rough idle, high-pitched hissing noise and ‘check engine’ light illuminating may be due to the PCV (positive crank case ventilation) pipe deteriorating. A revised PCV pipe was subsequently released.
For VY.II models manufactured up to late 2003, the front exhaust pipe heat shields could rattle if the internal insulator pads became detached.
 

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From the Australian Buyers Guide. Your symptoms seem to be similar to the Hydraulic lifter noise described below.
Cheers Black, I’ll give this a read through.
 

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You’re not going to believe this, the ticking… it was 2 CD covers tapping together in the ******* glove box, they were sitting in the manual folder for some reason…
 
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You’re not going to believe this, the ticking… it was 2 CD covers tapping together in the ******* glove box, they were sitting in the manual folder for some reason…
What is a CD?
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