1997 vs manual cranking but wont run

[Dale1vs]

Hey guys, I just bought a manual 1997 vs commodore. Was told the keyhead went flat so they tried replacing the battery in it. Did not fix the problem so they went and got a chip to go on the obi slot and keyhead and still wouldn't start. I got it home and put in a bcm and keyhead to match and fixed that straight away. I cleared the codes by undoing the fuel pump relay and then battery then tried to start it. It cranks over but won't start, it went to start a couple of times but cut out after a second. Checked codes and it comes up codes: 46, 59, 67, 73 and 82 which is mostly tcc solenoid issue but what I don't get is that the car is manual not auto? I checked the ecu in the kick panel and the ecu is a 3.8 auto ecu? I put in my nephews 3.8 ecu out of his Ute but still does not start. We were thinking it maybe could be CAS causing the issue or DFI module. Maybe blocked fuel filter or dodgy fuel but it was almost empty and I put $10 in it but now stumped on what it could be with the auto codes coming up.? What do you think.

 

[Dale1vs]

Anyone?

 

[the_boozer]

do you have a known working dfi to test with before you change the cas

 

[Grimes]

Check the codes again with the manual ECU installed first.

 

[Dale1vs]

Yes I do have a working dfi on another car. It was raining outside today so I cleaned the maf, throttle body and switched iac under cover. Went over all fuses under dash and bonnet. Put it all back on and reset the ecu but no change. It kicked over for a second again but stalled straight away. Codes came up clear which is good as I was worried it is in the pcm with the tcc codes coming up. Hopefully that part is sorted. I will switch over the dfi tomorrow if it's not raining after work. I messaged the guy who owned it and asked what he had done to it and he said he changed the leads when the key went flat, I checked the lead order which is right. I just hope it's not something major. I want to do the fuel filter on the weekend and drain the tank for piece of mind it's not blocked or dodgy fuel. Would it have ran at sometime with the auto ecu in it being manual or do you think they were mistaken for bcm and changed the wrong thing? Thanks for the advice.

 

[Dale1vs]

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[Dale1vs]

So today I put a brand new CAS in, swapped the whole dfi module+coils but with no luck at all. Still the same issue??
No tcc codes since I changed the ecu to a manual one but now I'm stumped. The fuel pump primes and you get the smell of fuel going to motor after a few starts, we did notice that the oil does smell of fuel and the dipstick is a hassle to get back in. Checked that the plate at the ignition barrel is in good order incised it's immobiliser issues still. Have it now on reds for 45 mind to reset the bcm weather that changes anything in not to confident. Also when I turn the car on to its reds the engine light is alluminated as is oil. Is that normal or am I just having a brain fart.
The only other things I can think of is either it is in the loom or the motor does not have compression and rooted??? What do you think???? Thanks.

 

[BlackVXGTS]

45mins is not long enough if you have an immobiliser issue for a VS. I think that you have to leave the ignition on (reds if you like, but not just accessories on) for at least two hours. If my memory serves me correct.

 

[Dale1vs]

45mins is not long enough if you have an immobiliser issue for a VS. I think that you have to leave the ignition on (reds if you like, but not just accessories on) for at least two hours. If my memory serves me correct.

When I bought it they had bought some keyhead with a chip that goes on the aldl port under the steering wheel and did not work as they had not thought to reset bcm. When I got it home I put it on the reds for 45 minutes and that keyhead and chip worked and car tried cranking. The next day I put a new bcm and matching keyhead in and cranked instantly. If I hop in lock doors and open them again with the keyhead buttons all imobilizer lights turn off. I don't think that's the issue any more only resetting for piece of mind. All threads I have read say 45 mins.

 

[Dale1vs]

MOUNT AUTOEQUIP PTY LTD AUSTRALIAS LEADING SCAN TOOL SPECIALISTS www.autoequipment.com.au IMPORTANT This information is supplied to customers as a guide only and reference to original factory manuals is recommended before commencing any work or procedures. VS COMMODORE BODY CONTROL MODULE INFORMATION When using scan tools on these models and replacing BCM’s there are a few differences to be aware of with the Body control modules on VS Commodores. Series I : This is a standard VS BCM with a 45 minute ignition on manual override procedure. These BCM’s do not need to be linked to the PCM. Series II : This is a VS BCM with a 2 hour ignition on manual override procedure. These BCM’s also do not need to be linked to the PCM. Series III : These are the last of the VS Utes released. They use a VT Body Control Module which has a 2 hour ignition on manual override procedure. These BCM’s need to be linked to the PCM if they are changed. * Note manual over ride is achieved by keeping the ignition key switched on and the drivers door open for the prescribed time period