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2013 VF Redline vs 2013 BMW 335i Coupe

Discussion in 'VF Holden Commodore (2013 - 2017)' started by Black X, Oct 30, 2013.

  1. Black X

    Black X New Member

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    My mate just bought a BMW 335i coupe and took me for a spin in it yesterday. It's a very nice car. Very expensive too at about $100k.
    One thing I do like about the BMW is DSG gearbox which has the flappy paddles on the steering wheel. It was a really smooth quick change and if the Holden had a box similar I would almost consider going to the auto.

    Anyway, so as I was driving in it he was showing me all the high-tec gadgets the BMW has. He loves his gadgets. Every time he showed me something I'd say, yeah mine does that.

    He says 'BMW does 0-100 in 5.2secs' and I say 'Mine does it in 4.7secs'
    He says '225kw', I say '270kw'

    Then we go for a drive in mine and I say...
    'Does your's have lane departure warning?' he says 'no'
    'Does your's have heads up display?' he says 'what's that?'
    'Does your's park itself?' he says 'no'
    'Does your's have reverse traffic alert?' he says 'what's that?'
    'Does yours have forward collision alert' he says 'what's that?'

    So really the only thing gadgety that the BMW I could see that was better was the door handles, where instead of pressing a button you just grabbed the handle and it opened. I've got to say I do miss having it, as my last car had it and the Holden is really slow to react to the button.

    However, it looks like you don't get much for $100k these days. But you do get quite a lot if you spend $50k instead.
     
  2. Hot-Rod

    Hot-Rod SuPaFlY -LiV3 Surviv3 Di3

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    Nice comments. If only the rest of Australia felt the same way, then Holden would be around a lot longer and still making cars into the distant future. Good to see the Holden stacked up against German Engineering.
     
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    He bought the coupe? Wow if only he waited two or three more weeks as there's a new model arriving... And everything my Redline has this new 435i coupe has, plus a few more things.. However the price factor alone makes this no contest at all.
    On a side note my friend has a 335i with full exhaust and gets spanked by me every time ;)
     
  4. Reaper

    Reaper Tells it like it is.

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    It has fappy paddles. BMW wins.
     
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    WazzaVN Wazza VN

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    I do like European cars. Good engineering, fast and ahead of most when it comes to suspension and driveline.

    Aussie cars though, raw, fast and bang for your buck. I like having a single cam engine that's easy and cheap to mod. I like that you can work on your car yourself at home without worrying about doing $7000 worth of damage. I also like that if I do break something there's a sea of commodores at my local wreckers to pick parts off.
     
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    The VF has all the bells & whistles, plus its affordable to most people.
    Id like to see comparisons where the VF is tested day in and day out on the european autobahns travelling at speeds of 160+ for extended periods of time........
    I think we would then find out which car has the superior engineering, and which is better built.
     
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    I don't think the gap is as big as many (pro-euro) would have us believe.
     
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    Lol, if you like plastic as far as the eye can see.
     
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    Kiddo You're serious bro?!

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    The BMW will hold its value much better then a commodore.

    BMW has also be using this technology for along time. Holden have just jumped on the bandwagon now, and are dealing with all the problem that arise with such an improvement. I'm sure in 2-3 years BMW and other European makes will have technology that you'll be scratching your head over too.

    The VF will have the same fate as the VE. Mild excitement from fanboys who want something temporarily different, until the market is flooded by them. I give it 36 months before we're all sick of hearing about the VF's, because it's very much possible to advertise a product TOO much.
     
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    plenty of plastic in a BMW cabin. Also, meh. All cars are steel chassis with electronics and plastics and little bits of metal/leather clipped onto them. A fool and his money are easily parted by shiny things.
     
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    Kiddo You're serious bro?!

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    100% agree with that
     
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    HSV E2 versus M5 V10: what the Germans think...
    [video=youtube_share;GkSv5HOjGog]http://youtu.be/GkSv5HOjGog[/video]
     
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    I like my Aussie cars but you cannot compare build quality and quality of components to a Euro car.
     
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    older euro's are a nightmare, so no you really can't compare them. :)

    I understand what you are saying though, but some people (read many motoring journalists) think that "panel fit" and the quality of plastics in the cabin = "quality". It's just not the case.

    Sparkly headlamps and cabin ambience aren't quality they are trimming.

    Aussies are generally simple, reliable and cheap to repair - that's what I call quality. Some of us just have a different definition.

    Oh and many parts from Euro cars make their way in GM and Ford vehicles - like the AWESOME quality of Bosch starters/alternators and the dreaded ABS modules.
     
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    VN was also "exciting" when released.....not so much now.
     
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    Comparing a bmw to a holden , Lol
     
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    I was shopping for a used 335i sedan and couldn't find one in QLD without the ugly walnut timber interior. I finally found one in Victoria and was about to pull the trigger when someone mentioned the new VF.
    I had never considered an Aussie car before coming from Audis etc.
    After driving the VF I was blown away especially the manual (which I didn't expect) , looking back the BMW was so clinical and rather boring.
    And I must say the interior of the Vf is much nicer than than 335i


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    BMW has terrible resale, along with most European cars. Everything is an extra on them. Recently tried to trade a 335i M Sport sedan, 2010 one owner with only 30,000kms. Was $110,000 new. Was quoted anywhere between $40-60,000 from a few BMW dealers. He ended up selling it privately for $62,000, but waited for 3 months to get that.

    Commodore has better real life resale and at the end of the day you can always sell one if you're desperate to get out of it. This isn't the case with some European cars.
     
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    And don't forget the service costs. BMW and Mercedes are just painful for standard service costs. Rare to get out of the shop under $'000. All adds to the cost of ownership.
    And when considering resale value, use the percentage of new cost not the actual value. I would much rather lose 30k on a 3 year old Commodore ( 50 % of new ) than 55k on a BMW even at same percentage of new.
     
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